Context: Mongolia sent huge amounts of wool, horses, food and clothing aid to the USSR, while Canada also provided major financial and material support during WWII. Gratis.
And before the "ackshually" battalion arrives: yes, Lend-Lease mattered and helped.
by ZXCChort
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And once the Siamese Empire tried to aid Lincoln in the Civil War by giving him elephants in the which he rejected.
Hm?
I seen more people downplay lend-lease compared to Americans saying Lend-Lease was the sole savior.
“Bought all of it with money” – not all of it, material that was lost in combat or returned after the war was “for free”, essentially. Only a small fraction of LL costs were paid for. Otherwise correct.
The UK paid for a huge amount on cash and carry, but did also pay back lend lease afterwards. It was favourable terms, but not a gift. The UK also gave their aid to the USSR. It wasn’t Lend-Lease like with the Americans.
The US did contribute a lot with the Marshall Plan though too, after the war.
So…we’re just overlooking that Canada was a subject of the UK even in WWII, right?
Core message aside, as it already crashed and currently burns, the flag should not be the Russian flag. At all.
The USSR consisted of different states, with the central government also consisting of representatives and members of other states.
Russia trying to hijack the USSR as purely Russian is historically incorrect and historical revisionism. They were one of the most powerful states within the USSR, but especially the early USSR enjoyed a bit more participation from smaller states.
Did they really had choice? At the time Mongolia was a Soviet puppet state and Canada was still part of the British Empire.
Stalin quite literally said they couldn’t have won the war without American lend-lease
Americans trying to pretend they did the world a favour is preposterous.
They stole land from Indigenous Americans, they enslaved Africans, and they only bothered intervening in either world war when it was their problem. The recklessness of Wall Street arguably exacerbated the Great Depression that made the Germans desperate enough to turn to Hitler in the first place.
Then they have the nerve to take credit for the WW2 victory after Russians gave their lives in far greater numbers.
Since then they’ve toppled governments not for being in the wrong but for not serving their interests (or these days their lobbyists’ interests), which nearly brought the world to the brink of annihiliation during the Cuban Missile Crisis and led to the formation of ISIS since.
There’s a reason your own newspapers published the “open letter” of the likes of W.R. MacDougall. No, I don’t agree with him either, if only for peddling the idiotic “chemtrails” conspiracy theory. But if your own America-worshippers are so obnoxious that the rest of you would rather listen to a conspiracy theorist than listen to someone who sugar-coats the USA’s legacy, maybe it’s time for America-worshippers to look inward.
The Americans also barely gave us any relief in the repayments as we had the absolute gall to not kowtow to their every whim and actually make our peoples lives better by electing the Labour government.
It was regarded as a betrayal in their eyes, despite the whole receiving the technical details of nukes, jet planes and more from us and then not only breaking the rules about obtaining our approval for nuke deployment but attempting to stop us from getting them after we helped their development.
Edit:
Lend Lease Ended: [https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/69087692](https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/69087692)
Technical Details: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6331897.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6331897.stm)
McMahon Act for Nukes: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Energy_Act_of_1946](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Energy_Act_of_1946)
Etcetera etcetera
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Repayment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Repayment)
Oh you mean the same land lease that USSR couldn’t pay off and Russia ended up paying off a fraction of it? And even that only because Russia ended up keeping most of the collective shit after fall of USSR.
What money? Ussr paid almost nothing for lend-lease, something around 6% from sum without even inflation adjustment
What is Land lese?
Almost none of the lease lease value was ever paid back by the Soviets. Also, Mongolia was a Soviet satellite state and Canada was a British dominion. Neither of them had a choice in the matter. Not to mention that the US sent an absolutely absurd amount of material and food compared to either of those other countries.
Americans, war profiteering, never
Holy cringe
Mongolia was still riding horses and sent their coats off their backs to help. No politics, no credit, no invoice. Just ‘you’re cold, here’s a coat.’ That’s the most human thing in this entire war.
As much as I like Mongolia I must remind everyone that Mongolia was part of the Comintern and would have provided more, free of charge had Stalin demanded it.
I wonder how the “aid” would compare if you scaled the side by side.
Canada sent 3 billion in aid, the U.S. sent 50 billion in aid.
Why use the Russian flag for the USSR?
This is stupid
USSR ≠ Russia
Stop using the russian flag when talking about the USSR. It’s a propaganda tactic by Russia to make people think they are the same thing, but they aren’t as the USSR had Ukraine and the Russia famously can’t get Ukraine.
Why is this using a Russian flag? And why is it ignoring the lend and lease aspects of lend-lease? And why is it acting like Mongolia and Canada had anything resembling a real say in how they did or didn’t provide resources?
This is one of the most amusingly biased and incorrect things I’ve ever seen.
So dumb to have given Russia anything. Let Nazis take over Moscow and then slowly bleed to death by the inevitable Russian insurgency. Russia would have been too weak to do anything after.
Almost the entire Lend-Lease debt was forgiven. The British simply pushed scores of perfectly viable aircraft over the sides of their carrier decks after the War and the US simply wrote them off with a wink.
Well, as russian, Lend-Lease was of great importance for the front. When people first learn that Lend-Lease was not entirely selfless, they are, of course, surprised and try to use this fact in disputes. The fact that it was based on economic relations—well, everyone thinks first and foremost about their own country. Considering that this wasn’t just a fur coat or three billion dollars, but an entire gigantic industrial machine, 50 billion at old prices. It’s like borrowing the full amount to buy a house and saying, “Oh, you’ll pay it back as you can.” Or getting just the part of the money you need, but without having to pay it back – what will help you more?.
Therefore, the subjunctive themes that claim the Soviets won only becsuae Lend-Lease are silly (remember that Britain received several times more aid than the USSR).
And the subjunctive themes that claim Lend-Lease was of no particular importance are silly.
The demand for payment of Lend-Lease, partial in fact, is justified.
A hell of a lot of British and American sailors died in the convoys. F.
As Mikoyan said:
>…when American stewed meat, lard, egg powder, flour, and other products started arriving, what significant additional calories our soldiers immediately received! And not just the soldiers: some of it also went to the rear.
>Or take the supply of vehicles. After all, we received, as far as I remember, taking into account losses along the way, about 400,000 first-class vehicles of the time, like Studebakers, Fords, Willys passenger cars, and amphibious vehicles. Our entire army was effectively on wheels, and what wheels they were! As a result, its maneuverability increased and the pace of advance noticeably increased.
>”Yeah…,” Mikoyan drawled thoughtfully. “Without Lend-Lease, we would probably have fought for another year or year and a half.”
Canadian here, yeah we absolutely love giving out billions for free. I dont want my taxes to help me or my country! Just send my $ to random people please!
Whats with all the memes lately about how the US didnt do anything in WW2?
They wrote off most of the supplies from the lend-lease act.
The alternate history if Russia received no lend lease aid would be pretty fascinating
American want eternal remembrance for their aids against nazi in WW2, and instant forgetting about the shits that was done every week since the birth of the country to today
I can’t say Mongolian aid is forgotten in Russia. Yes, people talk about it less than about land lease, but one of facts that associate s with Mongolia is “They sent a fuckton of horses during WW2”.
People were eating kids in moscow.
flags are wrong, cant trust meme
The Soviets quite literally would’ve collapsed without lend lease as per the words of Stalin and Zhukov
Just to be factual the UK mostly paid for its equipment, notably the UK had to ship its gold reserves at enormous risk across the Atlantic to pay for things.
[Operation Fish – Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fish)
It was one of the largest transfers of wealth in world history.
The USSR paid back hardly anything.
The US didn’t win the war by itself, but the Soviets and the UK would have lost the war without Lend-Lease.
Uneducated Americans think that the US won by itself and are wrong, but you also have uneducated Eurobros and Russophiles that think that the US wasn’t important to winning the war.
Lend-Lease tipped the scale toward the allies, and direct US involvement made German or Japanese victory impossible.