That’s not hypocrisy, they’re literally talking about different people…
HotspurCOYS on
Or lessons learned?
SucculentChineseRoo on
Doesn’t make sense it’s like saying nobody should ever learn and teach
doomlite on
I mean yes, but now isn’t then . Live and learn.
DeliciousPoetryMan on
The herd itself was an anomaly caused by a drought I think.
BigSweatyYeti on
Fun fact, most African conservationists in Africa aren’t European, they’re local and understand tourism is tied to natural resources (animals)
FULLsanwhich15 on
The logic here is the logic that most corporations have. “Well we fucked up then, why correct it now?”
Rich_Inevitable3871 on
So Germany can never speak out against genocide? 😂 i mean what are we doing here jfc
sarcophagusGravelord on
The people that are alive now want to fix it which is a good thing. Fuck the colonials but nothing we can do about it now other than try to make it right
thrilling_me_softly on
You can’t blame people for what their ancestors did before they were even born.
Hazy-n-Lazy on
I guess they should have kept killing elephants until they went extinct then? We’re not allowed to learn and grow from our history or something?
Coprolithe on
Yeah, it’s not the same Europeans.
It’s like lecturing current day Africans for selling slaves, a telling modern germans that he shouldn’t put jews into concentration camps.
This is idiotic.
abirdsrevelry on
Not the same people who were alive then. Sins of the father and all that
Connor_Wylde on
Goomba fallacy much?
miracle-meat on
So there hasn’t been any progress anywhere since the 1950s and all nations should be judged according to that?
Kungvald on
Just adding another comment on how moronic it is to consider it hypocrisy when the children of previous generations wants to do better than their ancestors. Would it be preferable if they do nothing, or continue doing the same bad thing?
Imagine learning from past mistakes, truly revolutionary it seems.
GRUSM on
Yeah fuck new generations learning from the sins of their ancestors and trying to be better am I right fellas?
Imsoamerican on
The only thing worse than killing millions of elephants is learning from your mistakes.
__sonder__ on
It’s fucked up that they killed so many elephants but is trying to do better than your ancestors really hypocrisy or is that just societal growth over time?
JustinMccloud on
The people teaching did not do any of the killing that was previous generations
dirtydan1114 on
I dont get the point here. People are not their ancestors. Can’t fault a current generation being more ethically minded than past
reikipackaging on
It looks like a good example of learn better-> do better to me. but go off.
Foreign_Writer_9932 on
Is the OP implying that the British exterminated all of these elephants in the 13 years between 1950 and Kenya’s independence in 1963 (despite 75 years of prior colonization by the Germans and British)? Somehow I find that hard to believe
CaptainMagnets on
It’s not hypothetical to change who you are.
The people in charge in the 1950’s and the people in charge now aren’t the same people with the same goals and mentalities.
Be better
APurpleSpartan on
Kenya got independence in 1963
TheJellyGoo on
Typical Twitter post. It’s not even worth trying to have a discourse with such individuals because they’re so far gone.
krooked-tooth on
“26 million killed just for piano keys” is not supported by historical evidence.
“Records show about 800–1,000 tonnes of ivory were imported annually at the peak, contributing to a drop in Africa’s elephant population from an estimated 3–5 million in the early 1800s to under 1 million by the 1930s. That means around **2–4 million elephants** were killed over that period, not 26 million.”
But hey Reddit lets not let the truth stand in the way of some random bs post online.
What’s next colonialism is also responsible for drought?
Mapag on
It would be hypocrite if they still are doing it! But learning from mistake and trying to fix isnt hypocrite
Alternative_Buy_4000 on
who’s ‘they’?
DiscussionWeak2318 on
Well, we learned from our mistakes. You can too
HearYourTune on
Now we know why it was called the Ivory Coast.
AlxIp on
“They killed animals so now we can kill what’s left”
Euronated-inmypants on
Ya because its wrong for new generations to learn from the mistakes of the past and try to correct them🤔
Level_Fig_166 on
Are they having a day at the Beach ? as theres a lot of trunks on display.
Gympie-Gympie-pie on
European AND AMERICANS AND CHINESE. Americans love big game hunting, they love to go in other countries and shoot their animals for mantlepiece trophies.
Chinese commission the killing of elephants and rhinos for Chinese medicine because they believe that ingesting the powder of their tusks and horns will give them better erections.
In all of the above, African people participated in and made money off these unregulated hunts. The locals know the territory, they know the animals behaviours and their migration patterns, they know where the water is and where the accessible paths are.
The locals literally led and still lead the Europeans the Americans and the Chinese to the animals. They help them kill them, they place the illegal snares, they carry the “trophies” for them. Poachers are primarily local Africans. They very much participated and still participate in the abuse of these animals. So please, let’s all make amends here: this is a human problem, not just European problem.
slowcheetah91 on
Typical African might want to check the ethnicity of poachers who have been killing the elephants over the last 50 odd years. I’ll give you a hint, they aren’t white.
Poaching and ivory black market was also primarily funded by Asia over the last 50 years…
AlexPaterson16 on
Shockingly it is possible for my grandfather to have done bad things and me have an under of wildlife conservation
BigBeefyBill on
Fuck it, let’s let them all die then. I hate this mentality
DoctorGuvnor on
Tell you what – let’s talk about the Passenger Pigeon.
ChaseTheOldDude on
I don’t think elephant poachers from the 50’s are teaching us about animal conservation.
Questionable_choi1ce on
Kenya got its independence in 1963. Surely most of the decrease in elephant population since this photo was taken is therefore not the fault of Europeans.
Cool-Aside-2659 on
We needed chess pieces too.
That-Statistician-83 on
you mean to say… people can’t grow and learn from past mistakes?
80sBimmers on
False equivalency made by broken minds.
PouLS_PL on
I’m pretty sure the people teaching about animal conservation today aren’t the same people that killed elephants in Kenya during colonization
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That’s not hypocrisy, they’re literally talking about different people…
Or lessons learned?
Doesn’t make sense it’s like saying nobody should ever learn and teach
I mean yes, but now isn’t then . Live and learn.
The herd itself was an anomaly caused by a drought I think.
Fun fact, most African conservationists in Africa aren’t European, they’re local and understand tourism is tied to natural resources (animals)
The logic here is the logic that most corporations have. “Well we fucked up then, why correct it now?”
So Germany can never speak out against genocide? 😂 i mean what are we doing here jfc
The people that are alive now want to fix it which is a good thing. Fuck the colonials but nothing we can do about it now other than try to make it right
You can’t blame people for what their ancestors did before they were even born.
I guess they should have kept killing elephants until they went extinct then? We’re not allowed to learn and grow from our history or something?
Yeah, it’s not the same Europeans.
It’s like lecturing current day Africans for selling slaves, a telling modern germans that he shouldn’t put jews into concentration camps.
This is idiotic.
Not the same people who were alive then. Sins of the father and all that
Goomba fallacy much?
So there hasn’t been any progress anywhere since the 1950s and all nations should be judged according to that?
Just adding another comment on how moronic it is to consider it hypocrisy when the children of previous generations wants to do better than their ancestors. Would it be preferable if they do nothing, or continue doing the same bad thing?
Imagine learning from past mistakes, truly revolutionary it seems.
Yeah fuck new generations learning from the sins of their ancestors and trying to be better am I right fellas?
The only thing worse than killing millions of elephants is learning from your mistakes.
It’s fucked up that they killed so many elephants but is trying to do better than your ancestors really hypocrisy or is that just societal growth over time?
The people teaching did not do any of the killing that was previous generations
I dont get the point here. People are not their ancestors. Can’t fault a current generation being more ethically minded than past
It looks like a good example of learn better-> do better to me. but go off.
Is the OP implying that the British exterminated all of these elephants in the 13 years between 1950 and Kenya’s independence in 1963 (despite 75 years of prior colonization by the Germans and British)? Somehow I find that hard to believe
It’s not hypothetical to change who you are.
The people in charge in the 1950’s and the people in charge now aren’t the same people with the same goals and mentalities.
Be better
Kenya got independence in 1963
Typical Twitter post. It’s not even worth trying to have a discourse with such individuals because they’re so far gone.
“26 million killed just for piano keys” is not supported by historical evidence.
“Records show about 800–1,000 tonnes of ivory were imported annually at the peak, contributing to a drop in Africa’s elephant population from an estimated 3–5 million in the early 1800s to under 1 million by the 1930s. That means around **2–4 million elephants** were killed over that period, not 26 million.”
But hey Reddit lets not let the truth stand in the way of some random bs post online.
What’s next colonialism is also responsible for drought?
It would be hypocrite if they still are doing it! But learning from mistake and trying to fix isnt hypocrite
who’s ‘they’?
Well, we learned from our mistakes. You can too
Now we know why it was called the Ivory Coast.
“They killed animals so now we can kill what’s left”
Ya because its wrong for new generations to learn from the mistakes of the past and try to correct them🤔
Are they having a day at the Beach ? as theres a lot of trunks on display.
European AND AMERICANS AND CHINESE. Americans love big game hunting, they love to go in other countries and shoot their animals for mantlepiece trophies.
Chinese commission the killing of elephants and rhinos for Chinese medicine because they believe that ingesting the powder of their tusks and horns will give them better erections.
In all of the above, African people participated in and made money off these unregulated hunts. The locals know the territory, they know the animals behaviours and their migration patterns, they know where the water is and where the accessible paths are.
The locals literally led and still lead the Europeans the Americans and the Chinese to the animals. They help them kill them, they place the illegal snares, they carry the “trophies” for them. Poachers are primarily local Africans. They very much participated and still participate in the abuse of these animals. So please, let’s all make amends here: this is a human problem, not just European problem.
Typical African might want to check the ethnicity of poachers who have been killing the elephants over the last 50 odd years. I’ll give you a hint, they aren’t white.
Poaching and ivory black market was also primarily funded by Asia over the last 50 years…
Shockingly it is possible for my grandfather to have done bad things and me have an under of wildlife conservation
Fuck it, let’s let them all die then. I hate this mentality
Tell you what – let’s talk about the Passenger Pigeon.
I don’t think elephant poachers from the 50’s are teaching us about animal conservation.
Kenya got its independence in 1963. Surely most of the decrease in elephant population since this photo was taken is therefore not the fault of Europeans.
We needed chess pieces too.
you mean to say… people can’t grow and learn from past mistakes?
False equivalency made by broken minds.
I’m pretty sure the people teaching about animal conservation today aren’t the same people that killed elephants in Kenya during colonization