Because some parents treat an iPad like a substitute co-parent
Matman161 on
Kids don’t need to be hit, but it seems like some parents need to get smacked around a little
hotshot21983 on
This looks like an argument for universal 2-k, 3-k and Pre-K. There is something to be said for professional educators being present that understand enough about early child development to give parents tools at each stage to keep kids on track.
Key-Wall-4378 on
Bruh my kid counted to 20 at 2 years old, how do kids get to kindergarten without counting to 10?
NEBanshee on
And where is the parental support to facilitate this coming from? Particularly for parents of atypical learners, or ESL parents, or parents working 3 jobs just to keep food and shelter.
Parents don’t need more unreasonable asks and shame and blame. Parents need $$$ and resources, ffs. THEN we can start blaming individuals rather than the most pressed and stressed group of humans! Bc whatever baggage you’re holding at baseline, parenting raises that weight to an exponential level.
lazy_calamity on
I was lied to by my patents (my mom bring a 2nd grade teacher) that I couldn’t go to kindergarten without knowing how to tie my shoes or spell my name (I think there were other rules too). I really wanted to go, so did all of them..
I know my parents would have sent me anyway, but this tricked me into knowing a lot of basics already, and wanting to do so
hypocritephilosopher on
As a HS counselor, I can tell you with authority I know who was read to as a child and who wasn’t. I have students in HS still trying to overcome 3rd grade academic milestones. The differences are so obvious. please please please, read to your children.
Julio-Dewey-Crayfish on
Some people out there think all it takes to be a parent is to birth a child and keep it fed. They don’t know or care about what it takes to make that child an actual fully realized adult. I have a niece who’s having kids to show off the baby shower for the gram, meanwhile my sister is the one teaching them how to read and wipe their ass.
anonsincetheaccident on
Yes I paid thousands of dollars to have my daughter in two years of preschool before kindergarten and she is doing well it’s not just academic things it’s important for daily living skills and experiences.
daddywontletme on
Oh shoot I forgot to teach my baby math
roosta_da_ape on
I feel like this should be more of a conversation for headstart for all. Instead of parents teaching children. Most states have headstart programs for lower income families. But what about working class folks? Higher income families send their children to private schools at 3yrs. Meaning that our poorest and wealthiest get to have paid early childhood education but not the working class…… I don’t know though.
burnerbw0i on
Teachers really need more money
IlIIIllIIlIlllII on
I own and run a preschool. Last year we sent kids to school that were still wearing nappies. I have so many kids at the minute that cant even feed themselves and so now on the showaround tours im telling parents this is group care, not one to one private childcare and their kids need to be able to at least function independently. Parents will swear their kids are toilet trained after they have 3/4 accidents everyday.
Were tired of raising kids for the parents and then taking shit for asking for them to support us at home.
graceyperkins on
If you can’t keep up, how are you going to catch up?
We were fortunate to afford two years of pre-k with both our kids because kindergarten can be rough. There are no more nap times. There is academic rigor. I couldn’t imagine just plopping them in K with a blank slate.
Michigan is finally expanding their free pre-k options, and I think it’s a step in the right direction in really putting kids first. If you’re demanding more at the K level, you really need to invest in early childcare.
KinderCare did potty train my youngest though. I can’t take credit for that. She was two and they said send in with underwear— she’s ready. She was. No accidents. 😂
HollaWho on
I 100% agree with her, BUT, I’m paying $400 a week for one of my kids to be in day care and learn all these things she’s mentioning; the social skills that come with day care has been phenomenal too. Meanwhile both my wife and I are working full time jobs, and are very fortunate to have had some
Lucky breaks in our careers.
Raising children today with everything interconnected, and costs out of control, is an incredible challenge. I don’t know how people do it. We have all of our priorities upside down over here.
Head-Editor-3603 on
I have a 1st grader and the stuff they go over is way more advanced than when I was in 1st grade. Like why is geometry listed on iReady for 1st grade…
Anicha1 on
As an ex-nanny, I can confirm they are not parenting. They are too busy working in order to effort the children.
Aggressive-Touch-849 on
No lies were detected in this video. People have kids and want to dress them up like dolls and treat them like grown adults. While doing all this unnecessary stuff, they miss the main point….. being a caring,nurturing and supportive parent. Taking care of a child’s emotional health and education is as important as feeding and clothing the child.
MyPetEwok on
This is why I tell my family that pre-k isn’t optional.
I see how you raise my nieces and nephews. Kinder isn’t the beginning anymore, it’s a continuation of learning that began either at home or in PK
NemesisOfZod on
The lack of functional education in this country is absolutely abysmal.
It all starts at home.
babybear1994 on
Most people really don’t want they kids at all. They just been pressured by society to have them and then completely ignore them and blame everyone else for not teaching their children. Please stop having kids if you’re not gonna be 100% down to teach them skills everyday of their life!
OGBIGBOY on
I think people are are underestimating that the parents aint really all that bright either so its really a case.of the blind leading the blind. These are the decendants of “No Child Left Behind”
XTingleInTheDingleX on
Sounds like the system is broken.
Buddhafi on
This has always been a problem in black and brown communities. The Head Start program, implemented by Lyndon B Johnson, was meant to begin to help this by providing free or low cost education to children between the ages of 3-5 in low income communities. These programs still very much exist but there’s not enough funding to maintain them. Usually a few Head Starts exist for large densely populated areas. Also, lack of incentives for qualified educators, disproportionally affect the ratio of teacher to pupil. Universal education for children under the age of 5 in this country is, unfortunately treated like a commodity rather than a public good. Outside of head starts, day cares are the option most middle and upper class families opt for but the costs are too high for average house holds. To blame parents and technology is slightly misleading. These are all symptoms of a decades old problem stemmed in racism and capitalistic interests and it was given a bandaid over 60 years ago. All these years later it’s being faced with a deteriorating system and a fast paced dependency on technology.
kjyfqr on
Dude my son isn’t even 2 and he can do all this shit but write his name. I’m not a great parent at all I suck. But it’s just a few minutes here and there. Dedicated time with your kiddos folks. No phone no distractions just spend time with em doin shit.
Ravensqueak on
5? Is that some regional thing? I was 4.
SmutWithClass on
My 2.5 year old knows letter sounds and how to count to 20. Ms. Rachel was a big helper in that. Like y’all can’t even do that much by 5? What?
drowsywizard on
Some parents are negligent but the majority are struggling to cope. Living in a capitalist system where you have to spend all of your waking hours working in order to survive leaves no time for childcare, and people in these situations will be forced to choose the cheapest options for childcare.
Once we fix that aspect of our culture then we can complain about the parents who still find a way to spend no time with their children
gritsturner on
We all know what would fix a lot of this, but folks’ pride won’t allow them to admit it.
BringBackAoE on
I think it’s important that parents and daycares instill an interest to learn in kids.
But actively teaching them to read / write at that age is a waste of time.
Many of the European nations that do best in the PISA score, often outperforming USA, do not even start teaching kids how to read until age 7. In other words, by age 15 these kids were better readers after 8 years of learning to read than American kids were after 11 years of learning to read!
My kid started school age 6 in Scandinavia. There was zero teaching of reading in 1st grade. Instead, the main focus of 1st grade was introducing the kids to the joy of learning. More time spent in nature learning to identify names of plants, and some science. Also “art class” was done there, where kids would draw various plants (developing penmanship).
The other focus was teaching kids social skills, group assignments, how to pay attention, etc.
The reason they do this is because instilling kids with a joy of learning, plus the social skills for effective classroom learning, is more important for the longterm learning than reading is.
Another key reason Scandinavia has postponed start of reading is because the biological progress of brain development required for reading varies a lot in young kids. So starting to teach kids to read at 4 will make many kids, whose brain development is not yet ready to read, feel like failures. And THAT can have lifelong impact on their performance in school.
Boom_chaka_laka on
This is more an income disparity than anything else honestly. The reality is that the most physically demanding jobs tend to be the lowest paying as well. Single parent households have it worse as well. And let’s be honest the parents that have the time to do this and aren’t is bc they don’t care. There is a huge anti-education sect of people who look down on educators ala the Matilda parents.
Books_n_hooks on
Teachers AND parents both be reaching for the low hanging fruit. The problem is THE SYSTEM! Teachers can’t teach it all and parents given the current working system can’t do it all, the children are suffering and few are acknowledging the root of the issue. I have the privilege of homeschooling my children and I introduced new things as they whose interest because we have the latitude for that. They don’t HAVE to write at 5 because I know whose paper this is, etc. school was never meant to make each child the best THEM, but the best student/future drone, but that’s a different conversation. Anyway, we need to redo this whole system.
Martian_Hunted on
True. I learned to read, write, all four arithmetic operations before grade 1 and the first couple of years went smoothly
EmykoEmyko on
If they’re going to watch tv, pick Sesame Street! It was literally created by educators to address this issue. My mother credits the show for my early reading abilities.
ZealousidealHold5450 on
I’m sorry, she lost me at her 5 yrs to write their name bs. Maybe I’m too literal but I’m not teaching my 1 yr old to write their name and working on it for 5yrs. Yes, learning starts at home and it should be age appropriate. 30yrs ago you were not expected to be able to write a sentence in Kindergarten. Kindergarten was for the fundamentals of learning letters and numbers and holding a pencil. Toddlers at home should be getting read to, drawing and working on motor movements. Pre-k helps get them ready for Kindergarten, it shouldn’t be Kindergarten.
Somewhere between the No Child Left Behind Act putting pressure on teachers to teach for standardized tests to pay, and Covid teachers also don’t want to teach students. They want to roll out their curriculum and clock out. And I’m not blaming them because this current education setup and pay is not structured for care or sanity but it’s society that will continue to suffer when no one has time for the kids.
Realistic0ptimist on
While I’m teaching my child all of this I do think we have lost the plot a bit.
We want our kids to be super advanced on certain things but I don’t think writing out your name is a must have skill by kindergarten.
Literacy as something that should be taught begins in K not an expectation to have before K. Counting and Alphabet are hit or miss for me as I definitely agree on the to 10 point but some of these kids may grow up in multilingual homes so knowing the English alphabet and sounds could be confusing and classroom structure should fix that. But overall I thought kindergarten was to teach social skills and following directions to set the foundation for learning.
1st grade to hone in on reading and writing and arithmetic. Like at 5 I expect a child can pick up the remote memorization of 20 pretty quickly or a 26 letter alphabet why are you pressing the parents?
CollarSuspicious5033 on
Uh maybe if shit wasn’t SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, the world could actually afford for one parent to stay home and not be burnt out to have enough energy to put into our children!!! FUCK this economy.
Arc_Nexus on
Not disagreeing that learning should start at home and early, but I definitely learnt that stuff in kindergarten.
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Because some parents treat an iPad like a substitute co-parent
Kids don’t need to be hit, but it seems like some parents need to get smacked around a little
This looks like an argument for universal 2-k, 3-k and Pre-K. There is something to be said for professional educators being present that understand enough about early child development to give parents tools at each stage to keep kids on track.
Bruh my kid counted to 20 at 2 years old, how do kids get to kindergarten without counting to 10?
And where is the parental support to facilitate this coming from? Particularly for parents of atypical learners, or ESL parents, or parents working 3 jobs just to keep food and shelter.
Parents don’t need more unreasonable asks and shame and blame. Parents need $$$ and resources, ffs. THEN we can start blaming individuals rather than the most pressed and stressed group of humans! Bc whatever baggage you’re holding at baseline, parenting raises that weight to an exponential level.
I was lied to by my patents (my mom bring a 2nd grade teacher) that I couldn’t go to kindergarten without knowing how to tie my shoes or spell my name (I think there were other rules too). I really wanted to go, so did all of them..
I know my parents would have sent me anyway, but this tricked me into knowing a lot of basics already, and wanting to do so
As a HS counselor, I can tell you with authority I know who was read to as a child and who wasn’t. I have students in HS still trying to overcome 3rd grade academic milestones. The differences are so obvious. please please please, read to your children.
Some people out there think all it takes to be a parent is to birth a child and keep it fed. They don’t know or care about what it takes to make that child an actual fully realized adult. I have a niece who’s having kids to show off the baby shower for the gram, meanwhile my sister is the one teaching them how to read and wipe their ass.
Yes I paid thousands of dollars to have my daughter in two years of preschool before kindergarten and she is doing well it’s not just academic things it’s important for daily living skills and experiences.
Oh shoot I forgot to teach my baby math
I feel like this should be more of a conversation for headstart for all. Instead of parents teaching children. Most states have headstart programs for lower income families. But what about working class folks? Higher income families send their children to private schools at 3yrs. Meaning that our poorest and wealthiest get to have paid early childhood education but not the working class…… I don’t know though.
Teachers really need more money
I own and run a preschool. Last year we sent kids to school that were still wearing nappies. I have so many kids at the minute that cant even feed themselves and so now on the showaround tours im telling parents this is group care, not one to one private childcare and their kids need to be able to at least function independently. Parents will swear their kids are toilet trained after they have 3/4 accidents everyday.
Were tired of raising kids for the parents and then taking shit for asking for them to support us at home.
If you can’t keep up, how are you going to catch up?
We were fortunate to afford two years of pre-k with both our kids because kindergarten can be rough. There are no more nap times. There is academic rigor. I couldn’t imagine just plopping them in K with a blank slate.
Michigan is finally expanding their free pre-k options, and I think it’s a step in the right direction in really putting kids first. If you’re demanding more at the K level, you really need to invest in early childcare.
KinderCare did potty train my youngest though. I can’t take credit for that. She was two and they said send in with underwear— she’s ready. She was. No accidents. 😂
I 100% agree with her, BUT, I’m paying $400 a week for one of my kids to be in day care and learn all these things she’s mentioning; the social skills that come with day care has been phenomenal too. Meanwhile both my wife and I are working full time jobs, and are very fortunate to have had some
Lucky breaks in our careers.
Raising children today with everything interconnected, and costs out of control, is an incredible challenge. I don’t know how people do it. We have all of our priorities upside down over here.
I have a 1st grader and the stuff they go over is way more advanced than when I was in 1st grade. Like why is geometry listed on iReady for 1st grade…
As an ex-nanny, I can confirm they are not parenting. They are too busy working in order to effort the children.
No lies were detected in this video. People have kids and want to dress them up like dolls and treat them like grown adults. While doing all this unnecessary stuff, they miss the main point….. being a caring,nurturing and supportive parent. Taking care of a child’s emotional health and education is as important as feeding and clothing the child.
This is why I tell my family that pre-k isn’t optional.
I see how you raise my nieces and nephews. Kinder isn’t the beginning anymore, it’s a continuation of learning that began either at home or in PK
The lack of functional education in this country is absolutely abysmal.
It all starts at home.
Most people really don’t want they kids at all. They just been pressured by society to have them and then completely ignore them and blame everyone else for not teaching their children. Please stop having kids if you’re not gonna be 100% down to teach them skills everyday of their life!
I think people are are underestimating that the parents aint really all that bright either so its really a case.of the blind leading the blind. These are the decendants of “No Child Left Behind”
Sounds like the system is broken.
This has always been a problem in black and brown communities. The Head Start program, implemented by Lyndon B Johnson, was meant to begin to help this by providing free or low cost education to children between the ages of 3-5 in low income communities. These programs still very much exist but there’s not enough funding to maintain them. Usually a few Head Starts exist for large densely populated areas. Also, lack of incentives for qualified educators, disproportionally affect the ratio of teacher to pupil. Universal education for children under the age of 5 in this country is, unfortunately treated like a commodity rather than a public good. Outside of head starts, day cares are the option most middle and upper class families opt for but the costs are too high for average house holds. To blame parents and technology is slightly misleading. These are all symptoms of a decades old problem stemmed in racism and capitalistic interests and it was given a bandaid over 60 years ago. All these years later it’s being faced with a deteriorating system and a fast paced dependency on technology.
Dude my son isn’t even 2 and he can do all this shit but write his name. I’m not a great parent at all I suck. But it’s just a few minutes here and there. Dedicated time with your kiddos folks. No phone no distractions just spend time with em doin shit.
5? Is that some regional thing? I was 4.
My 2.5 year old knows letter sounds and how to count to 20. Ms. Rachel was a big helper in that. Like y’all can’t even do that much by 5? What?
Some parents are negligent but the majority are struggling to cope. Living in a capitalist system where you have to spend all of your waking hours working in order to survive leaves no time for childcare, and people in these situations will be forced to choose the cheapest options for childcare.
Once we fix that aspect of our culture then we can complain about the parents who still find a way to spend no time with their children
We all know what would fix a lot of this, but folks’ pride won’t allow them to admit it.
I think it’s important that parents and daycares instill an interest to learn in kids.
But actively teaching them to read / write at that age is a waste of time.
Many of the European nations that do best in the PISA score, often outperforming USA, do not even start teaching kids how to read until age 7. In other words, by age 15 these kids were better readers after 8 years of learning to read than American kids were after 11 years of learning to read!
My kid started school age 6 in Scandinavia. There was zero teaching of reading in 1st grade. Instead, the main focus of 1st grade was introducing the kids to the joy of learning. More time spent in nature learning to identify names of plants, and some science. Also “art class” was done there, where kids would draw various plants (developing penmanship).
The other focus was teaching kids social skills, group assignments, how to pay attention, etc.
The reason they do this is because instilling kids with a joy of learning, plus the social skills for effective classroom learning, is more important for the longterm learning than reading is.
Another key reason Scandinavia has postponed start of reading is because the biological progress of brain development required for reading varies a lot in young kids. So starting to teach kids to read at 4 will make many kids, whose brain development is not yet ready to read, feel like failures. And THAT can have lifelong impact on their performance in school.
This is more an income disparity than anything else honestly. The reality is that the most physically demanding jobs tend to be the lowest paying as well. Single parent households have it worse as well. And let’s be honest the parents that have the time to do this and aren’t is bc they don’t care. There is a huge anti-education sect of people who look down on educators ala the Matilda parents.
Teachers AND parents both be reaching for the low hanging fruit. The problem is THE SYSTEM! Teachers can’t teach it all and parents given the current working system can’t do it all, the children are suffering and few are acknowledging the root of the issue. I have the privilege of homeschooling my children and I introduced new things as they whose interest because we have the latitude for that. They don’t HAVE to write at 5 because I know whose paper this is, etc. school was never meant to make each child the best THEM, but the best student/future drone, but that’s a different conversation. Anyway, we need to redo this whole system.
True. I learned to read, write, all four arithmetic operations before grade 1 and the first couple of years went smoothly
If they’re going to watch tv, pick Sesame Street! It was literally created by educators to address this issue. My mother credits the show for my early reading abilities.
I’m sorry, she lost me at her 5 yrs to write their name bs. Maybe I’m too literal but I’m not teaching my 1 yr old to write their name and working on it for 5yrs. Yes, learning starts at home and it should be age appropriate. 30yrs ago you were not expected to be able to write a sentence in Kindergarten. Kindergarten was for the fundamentals of learning letters and numbers and holding a pencil. Toddlers at home should be getting read to, drawing and working on motor movements. Pre-k helps get them ready for Kindergarten, it shouldn’t be Kindergarten.
Somewhere between the No Child Left Behind Act putting pressure on teachers to teach for standardized tests to pay, and Covid teachers also don’t want to teach students. They want to roll out their curriculum and clock out. And I’m not blaming them because this current education setup and pay is not structured for care or sanity but it’s society that will continue to suffer when no one has time for the kids.
While I’m teaching my child all of this I do think we have lost the plot a bit.
We want our kids to be super advanced on certain things but I don’t think writing out your name is a must have skill by kindergarten.
Literacy as something that should be taught begins in K not an expectation to have before K. Counting and Alphabet are hit or miss for me as I definitely agree on the to 10 point but some of these kids may grow up in multilingual homes so knowing the English alphabet and sounds could be confusing and classroom structure should fix that. But overall I thought kindergarten was to teach social skills and following directions to set the foundation for learning.
1st grade to hone in on reading and writing and arithmetic. Like at 5 I expect a child can pick up the remote memorization of 20 pretty quickly or a 26 letter alphabet why are you pressing the parents?
Uh maybe if shit wasn’t SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, the world could actually afford for one parent to stay home and not be burnt out to have enough energy to put into our children!!! FUCK this economy.
Not disagreeing that learning should start at home and early, but I definitely learnt that stuff in kindergarten.