DISCLAIMER: I do not support any kind of violence
by MidnightLogic__
DISCLAIMER: I do not support any kind of violence
by MidnightLogic__
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History is written by the side that did not get tried for war crimes.
*me normally*: I don’t support any kind of violence either
*me after reading about WW2 Japanese war crimes*: I do
There is a vast difference between occupying Korea since 1905, enslaving millions of Koreans into forced labor and causing the death of a least 1 million of them, then starting a war of annihilation in 1937 against China, that ended up killing 22 million people (mostly other Asians), attacking the US in 1941 along with pretty much every other country in the Pacific, running an extensive state-sponsored biological warfare program that tortured, maimed and killed hundreds of thousands of terrified victims, letting your army run rampant (Rape of Nanjing + hundreds of other Chinese cities + the Philippines) all over Asia bayonetting babies and God knows what else, running brothels (aka rape stations) for your soldiers made up of hundreds of thousands of captured civilian women and planning to release plague-infected fleas in the U.S., *and* bombing the indiscriminate crap of said country in an effort to stop all of the previous stuff.
Anyone not seeing the difference between what Japan did (and still hasn’t really apologized for) and what the U.S. did is either completely blind or willfully argumentative.
Scale and intent matter.
Yeah, dropping the nukes has placed American in the top 5 countries worldwide responsible for child murder.
Edit: Didn’t realise the America shills were about today. Note Nagasaki and Hiroshima are not listed, but America is already represented twice in the top 6 massacres.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll
The Japanese war machine was surprisingly decentralized, allegedly a great deal of manufacturing was performed by small shops in neighborhoods. Parts were shipped to assembly factories that could be easily rebuilt.
Allied bombing had up to this point made very little progress in destroying Japanese war production, the fire bombing wasn’t approved until war planners agreed conventional bombing wasn’t working.
Firebombing civilians remains contested on an ethical basis to this day.
Doesn’t help the situation that Japan had a massive network of decentralised war factories scattered in amongst the residential buildings.
By modern standards that would still make it a war crime, but the inaccuracy of ww2 bombs and nothing actually banning it makes it like an acceptable evil by all sides (everyone did it because ww2 bombs ain’t hitting shit accurately)
The loser is the war criminal and the winner is the messiah
There is waking up and choosing violence then there is this guy.
Lamb of God Descending
I hate using this term, but it applies perfectly to the combined bomber offensives and that is.
Necessary evil. We all know it was a horrible thing that never should have been needed, but we also all know that unfortunately it needed to happen against the genocidal to the extremes regimes of Japan, Italy and Germany.
Also OP i suggeste you watch this: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvwPt9MhP598_00Uqy3sLxlTA6KcDzOv5&si=VH2vPnP18lnB9070 they explaine extremely well why the fireboming and the dropping of the nuclear weapons was not just need, but actually saved lives. Basically it prevented a giant battle in japan and the worlds worst famine.
That’s why you don’t fuck with our boats
“I didnt start this war but by god it is on.” Lemay.
Ugh the tyrant sponsored trollbait on this sub.
Deliberate killing of civilians is bad, full stop. Firstly from a moral and ethical standpoint, and no “their military was commiting war crimes means WE get to commit war crimes” is not a valid argument. And secondly, it is completely useless from a military standpoint, since it does NOTHING to affect civilian morale, and is an absolute waste of resources.
Lemay was a monster and frankly deserves to be remembered as such
I swear I’ve seen this video before but with ‘Welcome to the Party’ by Diplo as the music.
Its not like Germany was spared widespread bombing on civilian targets.
No one complains about that.
Not that I support fire bombings but lets be real the only way to make imperial Japan submit was complete destruction.
They didnt care about civilian deaths.
I remember when @crackconnoisseur schizo-posted this to twitter years ago with a different song.
Edit: found the original
https://www.reddit.com/r/JinxEdits/s/HL4rqRt9Nl
The Secretary of War, speaking to the president, likened our air campaign to that of an atrocity comparable to the acts of Hitler.
While the campaign was superficially justified on the basis that the Japanese had a home-factory “feeder” system which made their war machine decentralized and mixed with residential units, this, according to the USSBS, had been largely abandoned by late 1944, largely for logistical reasons, something which was recognized by the planners in the military at the time like the Joint Target Group. By the time we actually began firebombing cities en masse, Japan relied primarily on large factories and on rail systems for material transport which is why a shift in targeting was planned beginning in August of 1945.
Prior to the end of 1944, the US more or less only engaged in precision bombings, that was until LeMay. LeMay’s actions were never sanctioned nor really suggested by strategists. The COA only recommend firebombings of 6 cities but LeMay bombed 67. The USSBS was explicitly against firebombings being conducted but LeMay didn’t listen. LeMay acted alone with his radical approach going so far as to not get clearance to avoid getting his superior’s in trouble if his campaign were to cause problems. See William W. Ralph, “Improvised Destruction: Arnold, LeMay, and the Firebombing of Japan”
In addition to this, the actual strategic success in these bombings is commonly overstated. Their domestic situation was greatly worsened by the widespread homelessness caused by the bombings, but that’s because we destroyed civilian centers en masse. It was also greatly worsened by the successful blockade of Japan’s trade and the deployment of sea mines by the USAAF. This in many respects was a driving factor in putting the Japanese war effort to a halt. Yes, firebombing did destroy factories and production, but in many cases the factories being destroyed were already out of production because they couldn’t get supplies. They also could have been destroyed without leveling nearby residential areas totally unrelated. The workers the bombs killed were out of the job.
Probably shouldn’t have done the bad stuff
War is an escalation of war crimes
So many people pawning off how the Japanese industry was decentralized when they know full well they were intentionally targeting civilians is crazy.
And, they only ever talk about the Japanese bombings. Never the German ones. It’s sickening.
Dresden is just a smokescreen putup by the Yanks to hide the raids they did.