how TF are you planting 78 BILLION trees in 40 years? thats 5.3 millions trees a day.
smashingcabage on
It’s also popular science fwiw
Surrounded-by_Idiots on
The article text doesn’t actually explain the title. Moisture distribution changed, but how is it “messed up” and what is the consequence?
evil__brain on
“China planted billions of trees and is hard carrying the rest of humanity in the fight against climate change. But at what cost?”
ambassador_pineapple on
There is an awesome book called “Seeing like a State” which shows countless examples of central authorities making all sorts of irreversible or hard to reverse decisions that have terrible second or third order impacts.
So China’s record:
Kill all the sparrows -> cause a famine
Forced abortions/sterilizations -> giant population decline we are seeing
And now this.
BeachCombers-0506 on
News articles are default “everything is a crisis”.
“Area man gets job but his hobbies are negatively affected. “
“Young man finds inner peace but complains about the lack of drama in his life.”
The Amazon was a desert, but now that it’s forested the trees cause it to be a continuous rain forest. Water falls, evaporates through transpiration and that causes clouds to form thus creating a cycle. The clouds extend far inland. Can that happen in China? Dunno but of course they can be strategic about where they plant trees to increase river flow etc. in fact the Tibetan plateau is where all 3 of their major rivers come from so it might be a net positive anyways.
Grazziellone on
It’s funny how some people try to spin every news against China even when they fking plant 78 BILLION trees!!
Naughteus_Maximus on
“Sigh… I’ll get the chainsaw…”
Fat_Tony_Damico on
The conclusion of the article is literally “Our findings highlight that land cover changes can redistribute water resources between regions,” the authors wrote. “Understanding these effects is crucial for planning sustainable land and water management in China.”
Not “seriously messed up its water cycle.” Weird propaganda.
firestar268 on
can’t have a china positive title without the classic “but at what cost”
antithero on
Instead of just planting trees they should also be planting smaller plants. Things that grow in the dirt that aren’t going to need as much water, but still work to stabilize the soil, and provide ground cover for more of the land. Flowering plants, low creeping plants
Getting a layer of decaying plant matter on the will also help improve the soil, & prevent the water that falls to not evaporate away as quickly.
Every thing they can do to reverse the desert from increasing will help.
I_burn_noodles on
Where’d they get orange trees from?
im_robosexual on
But at what cost?
knivesofsmoothness on
The spice must flow
ThisIsntOkayokay on
China bad, never do good. Only under one world government can humanity say we are all good, and goodluck with getting warring nuclear powers to submit to that!
XysterU on
Omg another “China is doing enormous projects to improve the environment BUT AT WHAT COST!?!?!?” fucking bullshit. The movement of water supplies like this has been known about forever. It’s disingenuous to present this like China messed up. They knew and they planned for this. It takes a lot of planning to plant 78 billion trees and a fucking magazine wants to posit that they overlooked the most obvious natural consequence of reforestation/de-desertification
Longjumping-Barber98 on
What about wild horses?
KennywasFez on
For all the fear mongering about how China is bad…they’re really doing some good shit (except for the genocide of those Wegers [spelling ?] and like it’s horrible treatment of citizens…)
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how TF are you planting 78 BILLION trees in 40 years? thats 5.3 millions trees a day.
It’s also popular science fwiw
The article text doesn’t actually explain the title. Moisture distribution changed, but how is it “messed up” and what is the consequence?
“China planted billions of trees and is hard carrying the rest of humanity in the fight against climate change. But at what cost?”
There is an awesome book called “Seeing like a State” which shows countless examples of central authorities making all sorts of irreversible or hard to reverse decisions that have terrible second or third order impacts.
So China’s record:
Kill all the sparrows -> cause a famine
Forced abortions/sterilizations -> giant population decline we are seeing
And now this.
News articles are default “everything is a crisis”.
“Area man gets job but his hobbies are negatively affected. “
“Young man finds inner peace but complains about the lack of drama in his life.”
The Amazon was a desert, but now that it’s forested the trees cause it to be a continuous rain forest. Water falls, evaporates through transpiration and that causes clouds to form thus creating a cycle. The clouds extend far inland. Can that happen in China? Dunno but of course they can be strategic about where they plant trees to increase river flow etc. in fact the Tibetan plateau is where all 3 of their major rivers come from so it might be a net positive anyways.
It’s funny how some people try to spin every news against China even when they fking plant 78 BILLION trees!!
“Sigh… I’ll get the chainsaw…”
The conclusion of the article is literally “Our findings highlight that land cover changes can redistribute water resources between regions,” the authors wrote. “Understanding these effects is crucial for planning sustainable land and water management in China.”
Not “seriously messed up its water cycle.” Weird propaganda.
can’t have a china positive title without the classic “but at what cost”
Instead of just planting trees they should also be planting smaller plants. Things that grow in the dirt that aren’t going to need as much water, but still work to stabilize the soil, and provide ground cover for more of the land. Flowering plants, low creeping plants
Getting a layer of decaying plant matter on the will also help improve the soil, & prevent the water that falls to not evaporate away as quickly.
Every thing they can do to reverse the desert from increasing will help.
Where’d they get orange trees from?
But at what cost?
The spice must flow
China bad, never do good. Only under one world government can humanity say we are all good, and goodluck with getting warring nuclear powers to submit to that!
Omg another “China is doing enormous projects to improve the environment BUT AT WHAT COST!?!?!?” fucking bullshit. The movement of water supplies like this has been known about forever. It’s disingenuous to present this like China messed up. They knew and they planned for this. It takes a lot of planning to plant 78 billion trees and a fucking magazine wants to posit that they overlooked the most obvious natural consequence of reforestation/de-desertification
What about wild horses?
For all the fear mongering about how China is bad…they’re really doing some good shit (except for the genocide of those Wegers [spelling ?] and like it’s horrible treatment of citizens…)