Why does the lower got look wrinkled? That happened while they were around?
Parzival_2k7 on
Yeah, to simplify a bit, the Puritans and honestly most early settlers in what would be the US left because no one in Europe wanted them
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Muted_Competition_35 on
Some favorite anecdotes / trivia I’ve read about them:
They didn’t like celebrating Christmas. Traditional Christmas celebration in Boston was not a thing until relatively recently. But they liked Thanksgiving cuz it met their definition of what a Holiday should be.
They had some FREAKY FROG sexual practices. They LOVED fucking but they were just a lil weird about it. Anything a lil strange in American romantic / au sexuale culture whether it’s polygamy, the Kelloggs man, the Oneida cult, they often trace back to the Puritans. You can read some French Army accounts of marching around America during the Revolution, and there’s a FREAKY, PEPE LE PEW, chapter about their time with the Puritans and the practice of “bundling”. The Puritans just let guests sleep in the same bed as their daughters and then they got pissed at the French soldiers for getting it on. FRENCH soldiers, what you THINK was gon happen???
Quiet_Comparison_872 on
TFW the English can celebrate Christmas and other festivities again.
PhoenixKingMalekith on
Did the puritan culture ever disappeared/ was drowned by other immigrants
TheMaginotLine1 on
I mean… yeah that’s what most religious groups did at the time. The Anglicans suppressed the Presbyterians until the latter overtook the former and then they suppressed the Independents until they in turn supressed the Fifth Monarchists, Levellers, and Ranters.
WendellITStamps on
Dead on. Then the founding fathers were weird deists who wanted to escape from the whole “nobless oblige” thing where rich people have any restriction on their behavior whatsoever.
MrFuFu179 on
And people wonder why we are obsessed with “purity” politics in America.
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I’ve always said those Venture Capitalists in Jamestown were indicative of America’s origin point then the Calvinist Fanatics in Plymouth, where did this idea of them being that origin point even come from is the real question?
McGillis_is_a_Char on
Both of these things are true. It was the Protestant Reformation era. If you weren’t trying to merc other Christians it was only because you were busy killing heathens.
FrankfromRhodeIsland on
It’s funny how the puritans inadvertently shaped history through the people who opposed them.
Their intolerance led to figures like Roger Williams being banished to settle his own community in what would become Rhode Island. Thanks, in part, to his treatment at the hands of the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay, his new settlement of Providence was founded as a place where people would be allowed to live with the freedom to practice their faith however they wished. Williams repeatedly argued that faith was given by the Holy Spirit and therefore could not and should not be forced upon anyone. This made Rhode Island the first place to formally establish freedom of conscience in America.
BigBossBelcha on
If it really was for religious freedom they wouldn’t of hanged quakers and “witches” as soon as they got there
Hendrick_Davies64 on
Providence Rhode Island was founded cause the puritans sucked and pissed off enough people
AppiusPrometheus on
The Pilgrom Fathers are the XVIIe equivalent of those Westerners who moved to Putin’s Russia to flee from “wokism”.
Standard-Buy-5547 on
Mental case cultists
Blackrock121 on
> The Americans have established a Thanksgiving Day to celebrate the fact that the Pilgrim Fathers reached America. The English might very well establish another Thanksgiving Day; to celebrate the happy fact that the Pilgrim Fathers left England.
G.K.Chesterton
SamDemon8 on
Basically Europe exported all the crazy religious nuts to America and that is my personal head canon to why there are so many weird extremist churches there to this day 😂
SoLongHeteronormity on
The Puritans didn’t all go to America though. It’s just that the Interregnum was such a shitshow that the movement didn’t survive in England much longer than that. Thinking the Puritans all went to America is another case of Ameri-centric history. Charles I and William Laud both being beheaded after most of the migratory waves is a pretty clear indicator of that not being the case.
Also, because I saw an earlier comment, the group that went to Holland first (the “Pilgrims”) were Separatists, not Puritans. They were generally theologically aligned (and yes, did often want to dictate how other people worshiped, though there were some exceptions), but Puritans wanted to stay within the Church of England. Separatists were small-scale, Puritans wanted to dictate how everyone worshipped.
Bad_Idea_Hat on
Completely non-historical, but I vaguely remember reading a book set during the American Revolution, and one of the British characters basically said “can’t we just leave them to do their stupid weird religious shit and forget we were even here?”
Economically a bad idea, but…he had a point.
Sabre712 on
Few years ago I read a paper called “Things Fearful to Name” by John Murrin. Yeah you never look at the Puritans the same way again after that paper.
TLDR: Puritan legal documents are FILLED with bestiality cases
Osirus1156 on
If Europe would have just scuttled their boats the entire planet would be in a much better place.
To quote Greg Proops from Whose Line Is It Anyway? “Did you know that they celebrate Thanksgiving in England too? Except they call it ‘Fuck off, Puritan! Day”
KenseiHimura on
And thus, why America’s religious foundations are so fucked up. We basically got all the flagellates, the women-objectifiers, the anti-sex, the anti-charity, and general extremists.
OnCallPartisan on
I recently read Oliver Cromwell had chartered a ship with friends to sail for the colonies. Then he was promoted.
I’m sure the Irish would’ve preferred he left.
HonestDishonestWork on
Like having rights? Thank a puritan.
Xenon009 on
Oh my god, it’s time to defend the puritans again.
Yes. The puritans were religious extremists. They had religiously extreme ideas like “we’re all completely fucked up sinners, utterly unworthy of gods love, so why the fuck do these nobles act like they’re any better than us” and “god made this land for all men, not just the nobility, so why the fuck do they get to own it?”
Atun shei films did a great video about it if you have an hour to kill
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Why does the lower got look wrinkled? That happened while they were around?
Yeah, to simplify a bit, the Puritans and honestly most early settlers in what would be the US left because no one in Europe wanted them
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Some favorite anecdotes / trivia I’ve read about them:
They didn’t like celebrating Christmas. Traditional Christmas celebration in Boston was not a thing until relatively recently. But they liked Thanksgiving cuz it met their definition of what a Holiday should be.
They had some FREAKY FROG sexual practices. They LOVED fucking but they were just a lil weird about it. Anything a lil strange in American romantic / au sexuale culture whether it’s polygamy, the Kelloggs man, the Oneida cult, they often trace back to the Puritans. You can read some French Army accounts of marching around America during the Revolution, and there’s a FREAKY, PEPE LE PEW, chapter about their time with the Puritans and the practice of “bundling”. The Puritans just let guests sleep in the same bed as their daughters and then they got pissed at the French soldiers for getting it on. FRENCH soldiers, what you THINK was gon happen???
TFW the English can celebrate Christmas and other festivities again.
Did the puritan culture ever disappeared/ was drowned by other immigrants
I mean… yeah that’s what most religious groups did at the time. The Anglicans suppressed the Presbyterians until the latter overtook the former and then they suppressed the Independents until they in turn supressed the Fifth Monarchists, Levellers, and Ranters.
Dead on. Then the founding fathers were weird deists who wanted to escape from the whole “nobless oblige” thing where rich people have any restriction on their behavior whatsoever.
And people wonder why we are obsessed with “purity” politics in America.
I’ve always said those Venture Capitalists in Jamestown were indicative of America’s origin point then the Calvinist Fanatics in Plymouth, where did this idea of them being that origin point even come from is the real question?
Both of these things are true. It was the Protestant Reformation era. If you weren’t trying to merc other Christians it was only because you were busy killing heathens.
It’s funny how the puritans inadvertently shaped history through the people who opposed them.
Their intolerance led to figures like Roger Williams being banished to settle his own community in what would become Rhode Island. Thanks, in part, to his treatment at the hands of the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay, his new settlement of Providence was founded as a place where people would be allowed to live with the freedom to practice their faith however they wished. Williams repeatedly argued that faith was given by the Holy Spirit and therefore could not and should not be forced upon anyone. This made Rhode Island the first place to formally establish freedom of conscience in America.
If it really was for religious freedom they wouldn’t of hanged quakers and “witches” as soon as they got there
Providence Rhode Island was founded cause the puritans sucked and pissed off enough people
The Pilgrom Fathers are the XVIIe equivalent of those Westerners who moved to Putin’s Russia to flee from “wokism”.
Mental case cultists
> The Americans have established a Thanksgiving Day to celebrate the fact that the Pilgrim Fathers reached America. The English might very well establish another Thanksgiving Day; to celebrate the happy fact that the Pilgrim Fathers left England.
G.K.Chesterton
Basically Europe exported all the crazy religious nuts to America and that is my personal head canon to why there are so many weird extremist churches there to this day 😂
The Puritans didn’t all go to America though. It’s just that the Interregnum was such a shitshow that the movement didn’t survive in England much longer than that. Thinking the Puritans all went to America is another case of Ameri-centric history. Charles I and William Laud both being beheaded after most of the migratory waves is a pretty clear indicator of that not being the case.
Also, because I saw an earlier comment, the group that went to Holland first (the “Pilgrims”) were Separatists, not Puritans. They were generally theologically aligned (and yes, did often want to dictate how other people worshiped, though there were some exceptions), but Puritans wanted to stay within the Church of England. Separatists were small-scale, Puritans wanted to dictate how everyone worshipped.
Completely non-historical, but I vaguely remember reading a book set during the American Revolution, and one of the British characters basically said “can’t we just leave them to do their stupid weird religious shit and forget we were even here?”
Economically a bad idea, but…he had a point.
Few years ago I read a paper called “Things Fearful to Name” by John Murrin. Yeah you never look at the Puritans the same way again after that paper.
TLDR: Puritan legal documents are FILLED with bestiality cases
If Europe would have just scuttled their boats the entire planet would be in a much better place.
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[American Calvinism: the Deep Theology of US Culture](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mSL_3uLWJE)
To quote Greg Proops from Whose Line Is It Anyway? “Did you know that they celebrate Thanksgiving in England too? Except they call it ‘Fuck off, Puritan! Day”
And thus, why America’s religious foundations are so fucked up. We basically got all the flagellates, the women-objectifiers, the anti-sex, the anti-charity, and general extremists.
I recently read Oliver Cromwell had chartered a ship with friends to sail for the colonies. Then he was promoted.
I’m sure the Irish would’ve preferred he left.
Like having rights? Thank a puritan.
Oh my god, it’s time to defend the puritans again.
Yes. The puritans were religious extremists. They had religiously extreme ideas like “we’re all completely fucked up sinners, utterly unworthy of gods love, so why the fuck do these nobles act like they’re any better than us” and “god made this land for all men, not just the nobility, so why the fuck do they get to own it?”
Atun shei films did a great video about it if you have an hour to kill
https://youtu.be/PJanv1NUlrQ?is=2al5qTmeABgO474j