Okay, guys, let’s have a debate about who the modern Rome is. Get the popcorn here -> 🍿
jackt-up on
Oof.
EmergencyGrocery3238 on
The only real triumvirate is Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec
GreenKnight535 on
“It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”
Ubblebungus on
the real end of Rome is somewhere past the fortieth millennium
ComradeYoldas on
Everyone in this sub hates the fact that it’s actually the ottomans (just because they’re not white. Pro tip: the Romans weren’t white)
Pretty_Marsh on
Oh, you’re one of *those* people.
yemsius on
Yeah, no.
meguminsupremacy on
Bait used to be believable.
nikschn on
the real end of rome is the friends we made along the way 🙂
JamesHenry627 on
The Eastern and Western Roman Empires died in WW1 (Austria-Hungary/Ottoman Empire)
Federal-Sell-9687 on
If rome participated in the right of conquest, it doesn’t seem far fetched for the ottomans to have the claim.
h00dedronin on
i think which side of the “when did Rome die” debate you fall on really depends on what you define as roman.
If Rome is defined as the empire centralised within the city of Rome, Rome died when the Western Empire fell under Odoacer.
If Rome is the Greco-Roman empire, where the citizens of the empire identified themselves as “Romans” wherever the government may be located, Rome fell when Constantinople fell in 1453.
If Rome is the title of “Caesar of Rome” or “Emperor of the Romans”, then Rome died in 1806 or 1922. (Though I will argue in this case the Ottomans have a stronger case since they ruled over the land of the Byzantines and the lands the Ottomans took over was still called Romania, “Land of the Romans” too.)
I’m personally of the second camp, but I think there’s a case to be made for all 3. Except for the HRE. No one likes the HRE.
ComradeHenryBR on
Oh. *Oh*. This is excellent.
Orpa__ on
I don’t understand, Romania clearly still exists in modern day Europe.
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No
The Roman Empire died in 1453 my good dude.
Okay, guys, let’s have a debate about who the modern Rome is. Get the popcorn here -> 🍿
Oof.
The only real triumvirate is Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec
“It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”
the real end of Rome is somewhere past the fortieth millennium
Everyone in this sub hates the fact that it’s actually the ottomans (just because they’re not white. Pro tip: the Romans weren’t white)
Oh, you’re one of *those* people.
Yeah, no.
Bait used to be believable.
the real end of rome is the friends we made along the way 🙂
The Eastern and Western Roman Empires died in WW1 (Austria-Hungary/Ottoman Empire)
If rome participated in the right of conquest, it doesn’t seem far fetched for the ottomans to have the claim.
i think which side of the “when did Rome die” debate you fall on really depends on what you define as roman.
If Rome is defined as the empire centralised within the city of Rome, Rome died when the Western Empire fell under Odoacer.
If Rome is the Greco-Roman empire, where the citizens of the empire identified themselves as “Romans” wherever the government may be located, Rome fell when Constantinople fell in 1453.
If Rome is the title of “Caesar of Rome” or “Emperor of the Romans”, then Rome died in 1806 or 1922. (Though I will argue in this case the Ottomans have a stronger case since they ruled over the land of the Byzantines and the lands the Ottomans took over was still called Romania, “Land of the Romans” too.)
I’m personally of the second camp, but I think there’s a case to be made for all 3. Except for the HRE. No one likes the HRE.
Oh. *Oh*. This is excellent.
I don’t understand, Romania clearly still exists in modern day Europe.