Moscow… Huh.. I mean taking it would have been significant
Delicious-Disk6800 on
Going south wouldn’t have solved anything, honestly even besieging moscow probably wouldn’t have done anything it was a doomed war from the start
DerGovernator on
TBH when they did attack there in 1942 they seem to have assumed the Soviets would just leave all the oil lying around for them to use, and didnt bring any equipment for extracting it.
lordkhuzdul on
Nice meme, pointing out for once Hitler was right about the military realities.
There is a persistent misconception that “Hitler was a strategic moron, if he listened to his generals he could have won”. It is borne from Wehrmacht generals having the opportunity to write their own memoirs after the war, where they piled all blame on the conveniently dead dictator and washed their hands off everything (this is also one of the sources of the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth). In truth, the generals of Nazi Germany were just as idiotic and shortsighted as their leader. Most of them were the hard-charging Prussian noble class, and thought trivial things like logistics and economics were beneath them. They thought they could take their armies wherever they wished, and the beans and bullets would come to them, somehow, magically, I guess.
Sarnick18 on
I mean an army needs food more which is why attacking Russia, while stupid, was a necessity.
polmix23 on
But, but madman Hitler. The great Halder said everything that happened was Hitler’s fault. And why on Earth would the great Halder lie?
Copy2548 on
You think Possible if HItler on Franz Side this one Take Moscow First and Then Turn to Grab Oil in Baku as Moment Moscow Fall? it possible Even at least some Margin Chnce?
Larynx15 on
Issue was that Germany was having an everything shortage to some extent by this point and it was only going to get worse. Even if Germany managed to take the Baku oilfields, there is no guarantee the Soviets wouldn’t sabotage as much as they could before retreating, or that Germany would be able to extract as much oil as they expected to.
Taking Moscow, as shortsighted and unlikely it was to force a Soviet capitulation, was probably the best option in a situation that was growing increasingly untenable.
grchina on
This is true as entire German command is all about final battle so we saw multiple times one more battle and we will win for sure,or if we just take this city is game over.Franz and entire command was for final push to Moscow while he was for oil.Stalin and co also thought that Germans are going for oil in ’41 and why they kept most of their forces there causing Germans not to have large succes there,also why Moscow battle even happened as center wasn’t that heavily manned.In ’42 situation changed with Germans going for oil while Stalin and co thought that Moscow is main target again and while Germans had success while Soviets going for Mars operational plan and losing over a million soldiers for almost no gains.Zhukov and rest of Soviet co will later claim how Mars was a diversion while main plan was making Stalingrad pocket, claim that numbers don’t support as they sent more men and equipment for center direction fighting than for south(Stalingrad and Grozny)Also German generals later on would always place the blame on Hitler for their own failures, something that was only true later on in 1944+
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Moscow… Huh.. I mean taking it would have been significant
Going south wouldn’t have solved anything, honestly even besieging moscow probably wouldn’t have done anything it was a doomed war from the start
TBH when they did attack there in 1942 they seem to have assumed the Soviets would just leave all the oil lying around for them to use, and didnt bring any equipment for extracting it.
Nice meme, pointing out for once Hitler was right about the military realities.
There is a persistent misconception that “Hitler was a strategic moron, if he listened to his generals he could have won”. It is borne from Wehrmacht generals having the opportunity to write their own memoirs after the war, where they piled all blame on the conveniently dead dictator and washed their hands off everything (this is also one of the sources of the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth). In truth, the generals of Nazi Germany were just as idiotic and shortsighted as their leader. Most of them were the hard-charging Prussian noble class, and thought trivial things like logistics and economics were beneath them. They thought they could take their armies wherever they wished, and the beans and bullets would come to them, somehow, magically, I guess.
I mean an army needs food more which is why attacking Russia, while stupid, was a necessity.
But, but madman Hitler. The great Halder said everything that happened was Hitler’s fault. And why on Earth would the great Halder lie?
You think Possible if HItler on Franz Side this one Take Moscow First and Then Turn to Grab Oil in Baku as Moment Moscow Fall? it possible Even at least some Margin Chnce?
Issue was that Germany was having an everything shortage to some extent by this point and it was only going to get worse. Even if Germany managed to take the Baku oilfields, there is no guarantee the Soviets wouldn’t sabotage as much as they could before retreating, or that Germany would be able to extract as much oil as they expected to.
Taking Moscow, as shortsighted and unlikely it was to force a Soviet capitulation, was probably the best option in a situation that was growing increasingly untenable.
This is true as entire German command is all about final battle so we saw multiple times one more battle and we will win for sure,or if we just take this city is game over.Franz and entire command was for final push to Moscow while he was for oil.Stalin and co also thought that Germans are going for oil in ’41 and why they kept most of their forces there causing Germans not to have large succes there,also why Moscow battle even happened as center wasn’t that heavily manned.In ’42 situation changed with Germans going for oil while Stalin and co thought that Moscow is main target again and while Germans had success while Soviets going for Mars operational plan and losing over a million soldiers for almost no gains.Zhukov and rest of Soviet co will later claim how Mars was a diversion while main plan was making Stalingrad pocket, claim that numbers don’t support as they sent more men and equipment for center direction fighting than for south(Stalingrad and Grozny)Also German generals later on would always place the blame on Hitler for their own failures, something that was only true later on in 1944+