While Joanne Rowling is trying her best, I’d say it’s a bit less and with some quite confused laws to protect women by forcing men into women’s spaces… Nice work Joanne, real big IQ you got there.
There are no huge media campaigns demanding terrorist attacks against them like there are in the US, however.
Own_Faithlessness769 on
Less so than the most transphobic parts of the US, but far more transphobic than the best parts of the US. Transphobia is right wing in the US, in the UK it claims to be feminist.
romansparta99 on
Less, though the transphobes are vocal enough to make people think it’s similar
Since the US has regressed so far in recent years, the topic of trans rights feels entirely out of reach, while things like women’s rights and gay marriage are on the chopping block
ElPapaDiablo on
Less, very much less. I think we always have been. We embraced Eddie Izzard, Julian Clarey (spelling?) Lily Savage and a plethora of Trans artists through the years. Like everything in this century, the issue is the vocal minority and bots spreading hate. I actually think the majority of Brits could t give a good fuck about a lot of the ‘issues’ we are reported to take umbrage with.
ricky-from-scotland on
Most of us couldn’t care less tbh. Like everywhere there’s a portion of society not cool with it though. Same as anywhere really.
FIlm2024 on
I’m guessing it’s about the same–many people who aren’t, but far too many who are–and are very vocal and shameless about their bigotry.
Sad-Attempt6263 on
I remember working nearby when this happened, ripÂ
Viseria on
I think the UK has had a lot of backlash spear-headed by individuals in years. Growing up, I don’t ever remember transphobia like I remember homophobia.
I’m not saying it didn’t exist, just that it was never something I remember, whereas I do remember people spreading the ‘fear’ of “what if the gay man is in the changing room with you?” kinda thing.
If I had to guess, I do think the drag culture that still exists in the UK helped, and that wasn’t just men creating female personae – you also saw (especially in things like pantomime) women with male personae where they wore beards. Going from that to the idea that some people not only preferred to be the opposite gender, but actually wanted to change to it, didn’t feel like a huge leap.
I am sorry if that explanation seems offensive at all to trans individuals – I don’t want it to come across that I think their experience lacked people attacking them, or that it’s just drag comedy or the like, I just wanted to try and reason why I felt like it was less of a thing here (and I could be very wrong, in which case please do educate me to understand better).
Ballistic-Bob on
I’d say it was less , but due to all the right wing crap in the US it’s becoming close ..
unfortunately we’re slipping backward.. seams like apart from millionaires turning into billionaires and billionaires into trillionaires we are becoming socially and economically worse off, in all aspects of life and tolerance .
yunginglobuli on
I think the organisations pushing anti trans rhetoric in both countries are pretty closely connected. It’s a shared venture built on hate. It’s kinda beautiful how mortal enemies can put aside their beef to bully minorities…
dachuggs on
How about we treat trans people with respect
Tuna_Surprise on
It seems like a very hard question to answer.
Politically both countries have elements of anti-trans agendas that are succeeding. People here will handwave JK Rowling but her group has had success with court cases. Current the MAGA movement is having more success but both places have well-funded and motivated anti trans agendas
On the day to day safety and societal acceptance levels, it’s hard to know without survey actual trans people and checking crime stats. Even if the UK is better off- it only seems to be slightly. The murder or Brianna Ghey was just two years ago
NorysStorys on
Genuinely, if you went up to most people in the street the prevailing response will be either “its none of my business what others do with their lives” or support. However you get a sub-section of uneducated, ignorant layabouts who prior to the social media age who are very loud and social media platforms.
My grandmother grew up in an incredibly small rural fishing village and there were gay people she knew growing up and the whole village knew, the general opinion was to let sleeping dogs lie, don’t make a fuss of it one way or the other and that kind of attitude has kind of carried on. Not to say that LGBT people shouldn’t be out, loud and proud but thats very much a mentality that is prevalent here. However in the advent of the social media age and American culture war bullshit, you get a much louder and sadly larger number of people being bigoted assholes but generally people are to busy with their own lives to care about what others genitalia are or are not, let alone what they get up to in the bedroom.
zeddy123456 on
I’d say generally less but of course there will be areas that are better and worse. I do think it’s an irrelevant question though, both places are doing their best to make trans people feel unsafe and unwelcome. The average population here do care less than people are aware thankfully, I’ve outed myself to many people I don’t really know as I work with the public and I’m very open about who I am and how it’s affected my experiences. While I am lucky to be able to say this, I haven’t had any negative reactions so far which I do think would be different in the US as to my knowledge people do tend to voice their disagreement more openly over there.
MissSiofra on
Nationally the UK is pretty fucking horrific, here it’s really variable based on where you live.
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While Joanne Rowling is trying her best, I’d say it’s a bit less and with some quite confused laws to protect women by forcing men into women’s spaces… Nice work Joanne, real big IQ you got there.
There are no huge media campaigns demanding terrorist attacks against them like there are in the US, however.
Less so than the most transphobic parts of the US, but far more transphobic than the best parts of the US. Transphobia is right wing in the US, in the UK it claims to be feminist.
Less, though the transphobes are vocal enough to make people think it’s similar
Since the US has regressed so far in recent years, the topic of trans rights feels entirely out of reach, while things like women’s rights and gay marriage are on the chopping block
Less, very much less. I think we always have been. We embraced Eddie Izzard, Julian Clarey (spelling?) Lily Savage and a plethora of Trans artists through the years. Like everything in this century, the issue is the vocal minority and bots spreading hate. I actually think the majority of Brits could t give a good fuck about a lot of the ‘issues’ we are reported to take umbrage with.
Most of us couldn’t care less tbh. Like everywhere there’s a portion of society not cool with it though. Same as anywhere really.
I’m guessing it’s about the same–many people who aren’t, but far too many who are–and are very vocal and shameless about their bigotry.
I remember working nearby when this happened, ripÂ
I think the UK has had a lot of backlash spear-headed by individuals in years. Growing up, I don’t ever remember transphobia like I remember homophobia.
I’m not saying it didn’t exist, just that it was never something I remember, whereas I do remember people spreading the ‘fear’ of “what if the gay man is in the changing room with you?” kinda thing.
If I had to guess, I do think the drag culture that still exists in the UK helped, and that wasn’t just men creating female personae – you also saw (especially in things like pantomime) women with male personae where they wore beards. Going from that to the idea that some people not only preferred to be the opposite gender, but actually wanted to change to it, didn’t feel like a huge leap.
I am sorry if that explanation seems offensive at all to trans individuals – I don’t want it to come across that I think their experience lacked people attacking them, or that it’s just drag comedy or the like, I just wanted to try and reason why I felt like it was less of a thing here (and I could be very wrong, in which case please do educate me to understand better).
I’d say it was less , but due to all the right wing crap in the US it’s becoming close ..
unfortunately we’re slipping backward.. seams like apart from millionaires turning into billionaires and billionaires into trillionaires we are becoming socially and economically worse off, in all aspects of life and tolerance .
I think the organisations pushing anti trans rhetoric in both countries are pretty closely connected. It’s a shared venture built on hate. It’s kinda beautiful how mortal enemies can put aside their beef to bully minorities…
How about we treat trans people with respect
It seems like a very hard question to answer.
Politically both countries have elements of anti-trans agendas that are succeeding. People here will handwave JK Rowling but her group has had success with court cases. Current the MAGA movement is having more success but both places have well-funded and motivated anti trans agendas
On the day to day safety and societal acceptance levels, it’s hard to know without survey actual trans people and checking crime stats. Even if the UK is better off- it only seems to be slightly. The murder or Brianna Ghey was just two years ago
Genuinely, if you went up to most people in the street the prevailing response will be either “its none of my business what others do with their lives” or support. However you get a sub-section of uneducated, ignorant layabouts who prior to the social media age who are very loud and social media platforms.
My grandmother grew up in an incredibly small rural fishing village and there were gay people she knew growing up and the whole village knew, the general opinion was to let sleeping dogs lie, don’t make a fuss of it one way or the other and that kind of attitude has kind of carried on. Not to say that LGBT people shouldn’t be out, loud and proud but thats very much a mentality that is prevalent here. However in the advent of the social media age and American culture war bullshit, you get a much louder and sadly larger number of people being bigoted assholes but generally people are to busy with their own lives to care about what others genitalia are or are not, let alone what they get up to in the bedroom.
I’d say generally less but of course there will be areas that are better and worse. I do think it’s an irrelevant question though, both places are doing their best to make trans people feel unsafe and unwelcome. The average population here do care less than people are aware thankfully, I’ve outed myself to many people I don’t really know as I work with the public and I’m very open about who I am and how it’s affected my experiences. While I am lucky to be able to say this, I haven’t had any negative reactions so far which I do think would be different in the US as to my knowledge people do tend to voice their disagreement more openly over there.
Nationally the UK is pretty fucking horrific, here it’s really variable based on where you live.