It’s not socialism because it’s not being done with any actual plan in mind, just the concept of a plan. The concept of the plan is to do the thing Communist countries did to survive major collapses – **implying that Trump expects us to face a major collapse on par with the cultural revolution, or World-Wars Era USSR** any minute.. – but without actually talking about how or why this plan would work, or needs to be done, instead defaulting to isolationist rhetoric.
It’s not Communism so much as American ChristoNazi Juche without any of the moral logic (“we’re the underdog facing a massive adversary, but we will prevail”) that keeps Juche a-float.
un_theist on
“It’s not pedophilia when Donny does it!”
—reich-wing media, any second now
_ssac_ on
All totalitarians want wants control, included companies, markets, justice, and so on.
JSol1113 on
But didn’t he just say that the intel ceo should resign because he has too many conflicting interests with China? What happened with that?
Level_Hour6480 on
Despite common misconceptions, “Capitalism” doesn’t mean “Free market”, instead it has to do with ownership: A marketplace is not necessarily a capitalist institution, but a stock market is. In short, capitalism means “Private/outside ownership”.
Socialism, similarly, doesn’t mean “Government does thing” it means “Workers own the means of production” (In short: Economic democratization). This can be A: through the means of production being controlled by a **Democratic** state (State-socialism) or B: companies are owned by their workers (Market-socialism). Goods are decommodified. It has never existed broadly, but aspects of it have existed such as every developed nation but one decommodifying healthcare and education, most “Communist” states decommodifying housing, or Norway’s sovereign wealth fund giving the citizens of Norway control over its oil wealth.
Communism is “A classless, stateless, moneyless society” and has never existed on any large scale on earth. It’s essentially The Federation from Star Trek. (Rodenberry was a subversive as he was horny.) Most “Communist” states were “State-capitalist” in practice, being undemocratic and basically run as a nation-sized company town.
Social-Democracy is what most people (Including Bernie Sanders and the entire Republican party) think socialism is: “A capitalist state with strong regulations and worker-protections”.
All of the above together is why the Soviet Onion was “State-capitalist”: The means of production were run for profit by a handful of elite individuals not answerable to the workers. Essentially, a nation-sized company-town.
irishredfox on
Oh but child is socialism! Socialism for the rich, the people who “really deserve it!”
notacanuckskibum on
In socialism the profits would be directed to the workers, or maybe the people in general. With this government you know the profits will make their way into Trump’s personal account.
jcooli09 on
It’s not socialism if it’s fascism.
magitek369 on
It’s only socialism when it helps the poor and working classes.
When government subsidizes business, that’s crony capitalism.
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It’s not socialism because it’s not being done with any actual plan in mind, just the concept of a plan. The concept of the plan is to do the thing Communist countries did to survive major collapses – **implying that Trump expects us to face a major collapse on par with the cultural revolution, or World-Wars Era USSR** any minute.. – but without actually talking about how or why this plan would work, or needs to be done, instead defaulting to isolationist rhetoric.
It’s not Communism so much as American ChristoNazi Juche without any of the moral logic (“we’re the underdog facing a massive adversary, but we will prevail”) that keeps Juche a-float.
“It’s not pedophilia when Donny does it!”
—reich-wing media, any second now
All totalitarians want wants control, included companies, markets, justice, and so on.
But didn’t he just say that the intel ceo should resign because he has too many conflicting interests with China? What happened with that?
Despite common misconceptions, “Capitalism” doesn’t mean “Free market”, instead it has to do with ownership: A marketplace is not necessarily a capitalist institution, but a stock market is. In short, capitalism means “Private/outside ownership”.
Socialism, similarly, doesn’t mean “Government does thing” it means “Workers own the means of production” (In short: Economic democratization). This can be A: through the means of production being controlled by a **Democratic** state (State-socialism) or B: companies are owned by their workers (Market-socialism). Goods are decommodified. It has never existed broadly, but aspects of it have existed such as every developed nation but one decommodifying healthcare and education, most “Communist” states decommodifying housing, or Norway’s sovereign wealth fund giving the citizens of Norway control over its oil wealth.
Communism is “A classless, stateless, moneyless society” and has never existed on any large scale on earth. It’s essentially The Federation from Star Trek. (Rodenberry was a subversive as he was horny.) Most “Communist” states were “State-capitalist” in practice, being undemocratic and basically run as a nation-sized company town.
Social-Democracy is what most people (Including Bernie Sanders and the entire Republican party) think socialism is: “A capitalist state with strong regulations and worker-protections”.
All of the above together is why the Soviet Onion was “State-capitalist”: The means of production were run for profit by a handful of elite individuals not answerable to the workers. Essentially, a nation-sized company-town.
Oh but child is socialism! Socialism for the rich, the people who “really deserve it!”
In socialism the profits would be directed to the workers, or maybe the people in general. With this government you know the profits will make their way into Trump’s personal account.
It’s not socialism if it’s fascism.
It’s only socialism when it helps the poor and working classes.
When government subsidizes business, that’s crony capitalism.