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    1. OnCallPartisan on

      My high school history teacher hated me. It was mutual. He was just some guy who got a history degree so he could coach sports. I crushed it and he still gave me a B.

      It drove me nuts listening the same half ass rote garbage.

    2. Chataboutgames on

      Lol you didn’t hate it because you were a “history buff,” you hated it because you were a teenager and sitting in class is boring.

      And “vivid eyewitness accounts” would be a genuinely terrible way of teaching a high school level history course. You’re trying to cover the grand trends of history and structures like feudalism and mercantilism. As compelling as an eyewitness account of a great battle would be, it would eat up a lot of time and teach very little.

    3. pitLickr1902 on

      I think my high school history teacher was one of the only actual good ones. He gave us names and dates and all that normal history stuff, but he would also go out of his way to show us footage and accounts from the period we were learning about. I remember him giving us the writings of someone who survived an outbreak of the Black Death and they were very informative to get an idea of how awful the epidemic was.

    4. Fluffy_Kitten13 on

      I didn’t hate history in school.

      But I would have if it consisted of “vivid eyewitness accounts”.

      Nothing more boring for a teenager than to listen to some old dude talking about how it was “back in the day”.

    5. Smart-Response9881 on

      I think history teachers should utilize popular culture, movies, books etc…

      Show them a movie about a historical event then point out the things it got right and wrong and use it as a springboard to get people into the subject, that is how many of us first got interested in History.

    6. My high school history class was mostly interpreting early 20th century political cartoons

    7. I fondly remember learning about Boudica’s last stand through my history teacher endeavoring to depict the battle lines with funny stick figures on the whiteboard.

      That includes Suetonius’ account that the tribes had brought their wives and children in wagons to watch the Romans’ crushing defeat… which became an obstacle to the retreating warband when that didn’t happen. (feat. stick horses.)

    8. What exactly would a vivid eyewitness account of the Industrial Revolution look like?

    9. reptilianin2000 on

      Not to be this person but if the teacher was boring that change would do nothing

    10. The main issue with history classes is that teachers have to give to same class to a bunch of students who dont care, for years. And most of the topic are probably not the one said teachers are interested in anyway. Thats why people prefer to learn on youtube, even if it can be widely innacurate

    11. doggiefilter on

      Its super important to know and remember what the ordinary person was thinking during an event in time if their opinion is still available to us for reading and analyzing.

    12. Chumlee1917 on

      “Read this academic paper that’s drier than a saltine on styrofoam in the desert that’s the statistical breakdown about cotton production in 1820s New Orleans.”

    13. Blackhawk_Talon on

      Rather than using a vivid eyewitness account seek to instead have your students imagine a picture that feels like they are actually there. Any actually interested in history will have a grand old time and anyone else will just continue to drown out the class

    14. Unironicfan on

      First time we used primary sources and eyewitness accounts was in college lol

    15. Ferrius_Nillan on

      I’d sacrifice million souls if it means that i get to go back in time of school, just so that DJ Peach Cobbler replaces my history teacher.

    16. Away-Plant-8989 on

      Wars don’t forget wars. History apparently is just one war after another war.

    17. The most important thing history class taught me, is how to learn history and historiography. It’s the first ever thing we learn in history class, after that the general typical history of the country and the world and i know this is not just my school being good, but this is nation wide. Each historical event we analyze through its sources, and all the other proper procedures. My country is Indonesia btw.
      So i don’t really think that history class should be taught through anecdotes and stories, it should be taught as a science from secondary and primary sources and should not just be retelling of event because teaching through “eyewitness accounts” doesn’t really teach much other than just retelling a story.
      It’s never really just about retelling dates, there some important dates, but the typical chapter always goes

      1. Chronology of the Event
      2. The reason it happened
      3. What’s the impact to the world contemporary
      4. What’s the impact today

      Dates and stuff is always talked about in the very first for a while to give the student a general idea, then after that the focus always is in 2-3-4, the conclusion of each chapter is always about what lessons can we take from it

    18. AceOfSpades532 on

      Is this an American thing? My British lessons had a fair amount of these, big parts of my GCSEs and Alevel exams were looking at primary sources, I remember a question in my GCSE about Weimar Germany was having to look at a painting, and at Alevel one of the four exam questions is commenting on 2 primary sources.

    19. I loved history class in school… the textbook was just fascinating to read

    20. My dawg in Christ, my country (USA! USA! USA!) is in the middle of a big push to make it ***illegal*** to teach history well.

      History is school is terrible becuase history is political

    21. Wolfish_Jew on

      This genuinely makes me wonder if OP has ever been in a history class room. What do you think the history you’re being taught consists of? Most of it is nothing BUT “vivid eyewitness accounts” backed up by whatever archaeological evidence we can find. Sorry, but those accounts end up being dry more often than not. Very little of history is “St. George slew the dragon in a fiery battle atop the mountain” and most of it is “Ioannes spent 7 months traveling to Nicaea where he joined in a minor clerical council and then died of dysentery.”

    22. what use are eyewitness accounts if lack knowledge on their historical and immediate contexts

    23. WorkerPrestigious960 on

      Not a lot of time for a bunch of eyewitness accounts in grade school. It’s good to get a few in, but it’s really not possible particularly with how U.S. curriculum works, but likely with any non-college history course as there simply isn’t enough time to cover events in such depth

    24. shumpitostick on

      No please I have had enough speakers come and tell me about their heroics in wars. It does not teach you history.

    25. QuillQuickcard on

      “Vivid eyewitness accounts” would be one of the worst ways to teach history in regular school. Primary sources are notoriously dense with names, dates, regulations, and references that are utterly inconsequential in modern times, relegated only to the most niche and academic areas of university level history studies. On top of this, the further back in time you go, the more often these amounts can be demonstrably inaccurate, full of unverified third party information presented as certain first party wisdom.

      And many of the great moments in history simply do not have any singular, definitive vivid primary source, the full range and reach of the events described in what primary sources do exist not fully appreciated until years or decades later, when they chronicled in full and become secondary sources.

      It can take dozens or hundreds of primary documents to fully appreciate the full picture of even relatively modern times. There is no way to provide a comprehensive picture to young students without considerable summarization.

      Some students will respond strongly to specific events, characters, and ages. Some students will respond strongly to macro level trends and the swings of global history. Some students will respond strongly to personal accounts within the curriculum. History at the primary and secondary school levels tries to present a wide, shallow overview of many periods of history through a combination of micro and macro scale events as well as some personal accounts. Ultimately it is all hoping that at least everybody will absorb some of the more crucial bits, and that some will become enamored with the subject and seek greater understanding.

      That’s about all we can do with any one subject

    26. Metallica1175 on

      Teachers have a finite amount of time with a finite amount of teenager attention span and this guy wants the teacher to talk about mundane things.

    27. fluffynuckels on

      First hand accounts are good for the micros of learning history but not good for learning the macros of history.

    28. The reasons I hated history in school are listed below:
      1. US history teacher in HS was a racist womanizer, who claimed the US Civil War wasn’t about slavery, the usual points relating to thst worldview. Throughout his illustrious career, he married one of his students, divorced her, then married another of his students. Classy guy.
      2. Of All the other history classes, all through 12 years of public school, only about one month was spent learning history outside the United States. You can only learn about the history of South Dakota for so long. Native Americans have some cool history and unique cultures, but very little of it survives or is written down. I learned hlthe history of the United States at least 5 times, none of it going past the US Civil War.

    29. TensorForce on

      Narrative. I became obsessed with history the moment I approached it as a narrative. Not just dates and factoids. Pick a character, it could be a country, a region, an actual person, a ship, etc. And tell the history around it.

      It’s why I love biographies

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