Oh yeah middle age historians are known for Thier high accuracy
BasedAustralhungary on
People that insist on continue pushing the Dark Ages narrative based on the lack of sources when they discover that we know today that at least one member of each peasant’s family knew to write and that they liked to comment a lot of weird stuff (not to mention the Church documenting EVERYTHING)
Some_Guy223 on
I dunno if I trust Medieval Chroniclers all that much.
ConfidentChance25 on
Meanwhile the Medieval history of Eastern Europe
YoritomoDaishogun on
Like, somewhat but no. We have a lot of events poorly sourced, entire regions without sources at some periods. Some stuff after the fall of the western Empire goes literally unsourced. We star to get more sources in everything during the crusader era iirc. And even then, the modern period is still way better sourced than any period of the middle ages
spinosaurs70 on
For the high middle ages on this is true for west Europe but as someone who studies the Viking era this is famously not the case for the early medieval era.
And there is basically zilch from say the view of Balkan pagans.
Hungry-Appointment-9 on
Middle Ages first hand account of the Battle of Shittenburg: (…) and Count Fuckinton was leading the Holy Army against the heathen hordes when the Sky opened and Archangel Gabriel came down from heaven waving His sword against the godless barbarians slaying 40,000 of them (…)
Also, Middle Ages first hand account of the Battle of Shittenburg: (…) and the brave hunting party of 10 was ambushed by traitorous Count Fuckington, who misguided in his ways failed to inflict any losses to our honorable men, who all returned home safely (…)
Modern accounts relying on archaeological evidence and cross-analysis of records: two 80-ish people armies fought over a new 3% tax on pissing pots and a lost goat. 20 people died. Jews were blamed and expelled. This is a fundamental event leading to WWI
Cold_Combination2107 on
middle ages enjoyer “ooooooooo my back, my hips, my anxiety attack”
imsellingbanana on
Ancient history fans: our primary source for this empire is a Greek guy who hated that empire and never visited and got all his information from an elderly man who lives in a village 20 kilometers away from where the empire once thrived
TensorForce on
Which part of the middle ages? Pretty much everything in England pre-1066 is flaky and based on archeology rather than history. Our main sources are a monk writing pseudo-mythology 300 years later, and a fanboy’s fanfic linking Troy to King Arthur
winged_owl on
Its the mystery that draws me in. Im not that interested in the Vietnam war because we know what happened pretty much hour to hour.
I like deep human history. The farther back the better.
Devassta on
Even with thousands of journalist reporting stuff, we don’t really know what is truly happening in Middle East right now. It is amazing when a “history buff” can say “we are sure of it” by only looking to an account of a random guy from Middle Ages
Looxcas on
Bro is significantly overstating the prevalence and precision of medieval sources lmao
EpsteinEpstainTheory on
“oh that? it was probably for ritual purposes”
brother, you can’t say ritual purposes for the hundredth time in a row, eventually you need to actually think of a purpose
Life-Cantaloupe-3184 on
I’ll do you one better. Be someone interested in the vast majority of human existence where writing didn’t exist and all we really have to go on are things like archaeological evidence or increasingly genetic evidence. There’s a whole lot of “We think this might be the case, but we don’t know for sure” even compared to ancient history where you might have a couple decent written sources you can look at.
analoggi_d0ggi on
Sorry I can’t hear you over my Roman & Chinese imperial bureaucratic autism.
Captain_StarLight1 on
Early modern history connoisseur:
We know for certain
There are newspapers detailing the event
Several accounts confirm that…
Sources? Here’s the video evidence
Here is an interview with someone who was there
Ai--Ya on
Roman and Chinese history: my source is someone who would have every incentive to glaze or shit on said historical figure
irradihate on
The archeological and ethnographic records enter the room
GivemTheDDD on
Strength: 1000 – 1,000,000
TipResident4373 on
Chinese historian: UGH!!! 😩 Why?!
Why do all my sources on the life this fascinating courtier from (insert literally any Dynasty here) have to be from his enemies who have every reason to lie about him?!
Kastila1 on
“There were 20.000 dudes in one army and 500.000 in the other. The battlefield was the size of a football field. The small army defeated the big one and killed everyone but a guy, that was sent to the king with a little ribbon in his head as a gift. The small army only lost 7 soldiers. Yeah, we do have sources about this”
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Oh yeah middle age historians are known for Thier high accuracy
People that insist on continue pushing the Dark Ages narrative based on the lack of sources when they discover that we know today that at least one member of each peasant’s family knew to write and that they liked to comment a lot of weird stuff (not to mention the Church documenting EVERYTHING)
I dunno if I trust Medieval Chroniclers all that much.
Meanwhile the Medieval history of Eastern Europe
Like, somewhat but no. We have a lot of events poorly sourced, entire regions without sources at some periods. Some stuff after the fall of the western Empire goes literally unsourced. We star to get more sources in everything during the crusader era iirc. And even then, the modern period is still way better sourced than any period of the middle ages
For the high middle ages on this is true for west Europe but as someone who studies the Viking era this is famously not the case for the early medieval era.
And there is basically zilch from say the view of Balkan pagans.
Middle Ages first hand account of the Battle of Shittenburg: (…) and Count Fuckinton was leading the Holy Army against the heathen hordes when the Sky opened and Archangel Gabriel came down from heaven waving His sword against the godless barbarians slaying 40,000 of them (…)
Also, Middle Ages first hand account of the Battle of Shittenburg: (…) and the brave hunting party of 10 was ambushed by traitorous Count Fuckington, who misguided in his ways failed to inflict any losses to our honorable men, who all returned home safely (…)
Modern accounts relying on archaeological evidence and cross-analysis of records: two 80-ish people armies fought over a new 3% tax on pissing pots and a lost goat. 20 people died. Jews were blamed and expelled. This is a fundamental event leading to WWI
middle ages enjoyer “ooooooooo my back, my hips, my anxiety attack”
Ancient history fans: our primary source for this empire is a Greek guy who hated that empire and never visited and got all his information from an elderly man who lives in a village 20 kilometers away from where the empire once thrived
Which part of the middle ages? Pretty much everything in England pre-1066 is flaky and based on archeology rather than history. Our main sources are a monk writing pseudo-mythology 300 years later, and a fanboy’s fanfic linking Troy to King Arthur
Its the mystery that draws me in. Im not that interested in the Vietnam war because we know what happened pretty much hour to hour.
I like deep human history. The farther back the better.
Even with thousands of journalist reporting stuff, we don’t really know what is truly happening in Middle East right now. It is amazing when a “history buff” can say “we are sure of it” by only looking to an account of a random guy from Middle Ages
Bro is significantly overstating the prevalence and precision of medieval sources lmao
“oh that? it was probably for ritual purposes”
brother, you can’t say ritual purposes for the hundredth time in a row, eventually you need to actually think of a purpose
I’ll do you one better. Be someone interested in the vast majority of human existence where writing didn’t exist and all we really have to go on are things like archaeological evidence or increasingly genetic evidence. There’s a whole lot of “We think this might be the case, but we don’t know for sure” even compared to ancient history where you might have a couple decent written sources you can look at.
Sorry I can’t hear you over my Roman & Chinese imperial bureaucratic autism.
Early modern history connoisseur:
We know for certain
There are newspapers detailing the event
Several accounts confirm that…
Sources? Here’s the video evidence
Here is an interview with someone who was there
Roman and Chinese history: my source is someone who would have every incentive to glaze or shit on said historical figure
The archeological and ethnographic records enter the room
Strength: 1000 – 1,000,000
Chinese historian: UGH!!! 😩 Why?!
Why do all my sources on the life this fascinating courtier from (insert literally any Dynasty here) have to be from his enemies who have every reason to lie about him?!
“There were 20.000 dudes in one army and 500.000 in the other. The battlefield was the size of a football field. The small army defeated the big one and killed everyone but a guy, that was sent to the king with a little ribbon in his head as a gift. The small army only lost 7 soldiers. Yeah, we do have sources about this”