Biggest redeem arc in america history?

Bros bring up the southern democrats thing like time doesn’t pass and would want us to believe the KKK votes modern democrat.

less so redeem arc, more so dems got out racist-ed by nixon’s republican party and the south was mighty pissed off at the civil rights act being passed by a dem

So many whoosh in the comments.

Of course modern southern democrats are not the same old southern democrats.

[Cynical Historian ](https://youtu.be/hBHHIJG8Rds?si=vUhotB2p1IfOuAt_) explains it.

An actual Historian with citation and reference for people who don’t want to listen to a random with an agenda.

It’s more complicated than that.

The Southern Democrats have indeed often been and most recently have been the most explicit vanguard of conservatism and racism as a single political bloc, but the Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats do have some throughlines dating back to at least Jackson if not before.

In general, every incarnation of the Democratic Party had large sections of its platform dedicated to preservation of minority rights vis a vis a large dominant culture, the difference is that originally under Jefferson and Jackson that was poorer classes, then it shifted to White Planters manipulating said lower white poor classes as well as white immigrants in urban environments, and so on, but that initial economic and political argument against “the elite” was pretty consistent just reinterpreted and manipulated by different party-factions over the centuries. Jefferson, Jackson, Williams Jennings Bryan, these all had similar strains of thought regarding what the Southern Democratic Party should be that have anti-state and anti-capitalist messages within them. The Democrats have had multiple enemy parties over the years and while sometimes those enemies were absolutely in the right such as Civil War Republicans (and especially Radical Republicans) many or most of those political forces were also friendly to and supportive of ideas like nationalism, a single dominant culture to which all should assimilate, and friendliness to the large business interests.

More to the point, the Northern Democratic Party basically died on a local level after the Civil War. In multiple states such as Ohio, it was a puppet that the GOP literally funded to paper over their own internal issues, and it was with the failure of Teddy Roosevelt’s Progressive Republicans that resulted in many Northern Progressives and Progressive Republicans basically just taking over the nearly dead corpse of the Democratic Party in their states, entirely taking over and transforming it, and then coercing Southern Democrats to follow them in their goals out of sheer economic and class interests (which, as stated above, were always a core part at least rhetorically for the Democratic Party). Black Southerners largely switched to the Dems for economic reasons in the Great Depression, which was then deepened when the new party system took shape as Southern Republicans of the old generation were basically forced out and either became Democrats or were replaced with defecting Dixie Democrats becoming New Southern Republicans.

To be clear, the Party Switch is definitely a genuine thing. It’s just not the first one either, as Northern Progressive Republicans switched to the Democratic Party before the Dixiecrats switched to the Republican Party, it’s just that in both cases there were still some throughlines between all incarnations of the Democrats and Republicans, it’s more a question of the rest of the platform.

[deleted]

Southern **conservatives** today are the same bigots that their fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, etc. were, going back to before the Revolution. Nothing has changed whatsoever.

The only difference is, they called themselves Democrats until the Civil Rights Era, and since the Southern Strategy they’ve all been Republicans.

But it’s the same racism, from the same people.

Edit: if you’re downvoting a simple fact…that is you being in denial about what you are, and you should think about that.

Bigoted democrats haven’t been redeemed. They just moved to the republican party during the early 20th century and the republicans that didn’t want to be on the same platform with them moved to the Democratic party. This is how we got today’s political setup. Everyone with two braincells know that and I suppose you have more than two. That leaves us with you trying to spread misinformation on purpose which is not very nice.

“

No.

Those racist Dems that were against the Civil Rights Movement,very publicly withdrew from the party, and joined the GOP after the Civil Rights Act was passed.

And they were replaced by black and white politicians who were part of smaller state parties that were pro-civil rights.

There was a whole contested DNC convention in 1968 where the racist and non-racist state parties fought over who would represent their state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention

We got President Nixon bc those Southern Democrats became Southern Republicans.

They tried to stop the Little Rock 9 that was until the 82nd Airborne showed up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

This true to an extent. Back in the 1800’s the Democrats were more conservative. But what isn’t explained here that after Abraham Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. A lot of those Democrats switched to the Republican party keeping those values from the old party.