May or may not be relevant to my last post
by MetallicaDash
May or may not be relevant to my last post
by MetallicaDash
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If only they had boiled more dogs in orbit.
Up next op will post something along:
“But Soviet union won the cold war” mfs finding out Soviet union lost the hot war because usa contributes maximum to global warming.
The space race wasnt a race to see who could put a man on the moon. That’s a retcon.
A relevant technology like the first satellite would have been the objective. Which was achieved by the Soviets. It was later that Americans gained the upper hand on that department.
Calling the race at the moon landing was mercy, not cheapness.
Check out the scoreboard when it comes to Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
Hell, you can say the Soviets beat us for Venus, but not as thoroughly as we beat them at the majority of all planets
Tankies are going to be real mad you’re making fun of their favorite genocidal failed state.
that’s pretty dumb.
a better comparison would be that you wont the marathon but then the 2nd place kept running until they won another, different marathon.
soviet got to space first, they wont the space race.
america got to the moon first, they won the moon race.
america is just a sore loser who can’t give the soviet the win that they deserve. so they insist that the space race was about the moon. it was not.
like would it kill you to be like “yeah respect to the soviets, they got to space first, good job, good match”
why are americans so butthurt over this it was 60 years ago, bro you weren’t even born!
No way this doesn’t turn into a massive argument/pissing contest right?
There are tons of US milestones, concurrent with soviet ones.
First animals in space (& successfully recovered)
First mammal in space
First primate in space successfully recovered
First human in space under manual control
First science experiment in space
First communications satellite
First planetary flyby
First rendesvous in space
First docking in space
First (and only) humans to leave earth orbit
First moon orbit
First moon landing
First successful Mars landing
Also no astronauts died in space during the space race.
But besides, the point of the space race is NOT a series of arbitrary firsts, it is to develop rocket and missile technology, and secondarily to do science. Which the US prioritised, and definitively won at.
Man, can we please just stop with this already?
My Position on this “space race” nonense is pretty simple:
You are right now in a dick-measuring-contest about the Achievemnts of People who likely aren’t even *your* Grandparents, but someone elses. Neither of any of you had any partaking in, or could repeat these achievements in any way. I bet the closest most people in this comment section ever came to contributing to spaceflight is lighting a *fireworks rocket*. Might be Mistaken though, so call me out if i am wrong 😀
The US has better Rocket tech? Maybe thats true, maybe not. I am in no position to judge. But nevertheless they had to come crawling to Russia to launch their Astronauts for them up until very recently. And we can all see how well Boeing is doing with *their* space-tech.
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As a German, i have to say that most obviously *we* have won the space race, as we were the first to build missiles to bombard other Nations with. The US and UDSSR are simply copycats that had to kidnap our great scientists to build the ~~rockets~~ *Missiles* for them. s
See how Pointless that is?
[oh, and also, i didn’t fact check this… i am just claiming we won, which is fully in spirit with this discussion ]
Space race hot take: America took the scientists, Soviets took the rockets
The US developed far more technology and better technology than the USSR by 1969. Bear in mind the USSR and USA didn’t share almost any technology before 1969, so developments made,even if similar in outcome,were independent. Not only that,but the US generally achieved far more than the USSR as regards space.
The soviet copium, like Germans after ww1 and their Dolschtosslegende, is to cherry pick and create an absurdly anti factual narrative. Now,what is true is that the soviet union was initially winning the space race, and competed for a small amount of time,but it ultimately fell behind by a huge amount and lost by a large margin. [Defining losing as not contributing or producing as much space technology and winning as producing more effective space technology]
Classic American trick:
1) participate in competition
2) make up your own criteria for it
3) you won!
There is literally no reason to say that end of “space race” is moon landing. In my opinion, “anything on the orbit” or “human on the orbit” make much more sense. Or we can prolong the race and say “functional colony on Mars”, than race still isn’t over. Moon is just a milestone useful for American propaganda and nothing more
Mfs finding out the space race was Germany vs Germany
The funniest thing about this dick-measuring contest is that, from the start of Cold War, it shouldn’t have been real contest in the first place.
USSR was the poorer country destroyed by WW:2 that only had significantly weaker allies than themselves (especially post-Sino-Soviet split). USA was far richer country, that was largely spared from destruction of war on their land during WW:2, and had further fairly powerful allies in Europe. USA had all the advantages.
It’s kinda impressive that Cold War lasted as long as it did, and how many scientific advances USSR did have.
First satellite: USSR
First animal in orbit: USSR
First man in space: USSR
First woman in space: USSR
First spacewalk: USSR
First soft landing on the Moon: USSR
First rendezvous in space: US
First animal recovered alive from space: USSR
First satellite in geosynchronous orbit: US
First pictures of the far side of the moon: USSR
First photo of Earth from orbit: US
First planetary flyby: US
First crewed flyby of the Moon: US
First soft landing on another planet: USSR
First manned mission to the moon: US
Winner? Humanity.
It’s also worth noting a lot of firsts attributed to the Russians were actually first achieved by the US, except they used more than Nazi scientists to do it, using a lot of leftover Nazi rockets from WW2, not exactly an achievement the US wants to parade around because it’s not really their achievement and they don’t really want to be the guys who did them buy just using Nazi shit.
Is the race really over? A lot of this narrative draws a line where America stopped and says that’s the finish line. But that line wasn’t on the ground when we go there. We wanted to keep going, to keep doing shuttle missions. To explore farther.
Space is still up there, it was never a race, it was a hike, an exploration, and there is plenty of trail left ahead.
I think having a space program and not having your country starving to death at the same time is a pretty big win
The term “space race” is misleading because a race has a finish line. And space always has a next frontier.
A better sports comparison is fighting where there can be a “space title holder” and after the moon land the US took and held the belt.
Horrible analogy.
This is the stupidest dick measuring contest out there. The space race wasn’t a race as in “here’s the start line and there’s the finish line” that someone can “win”, it was a race as in “arms race”. It was about having the superior ballistic missile technology, among other things.
Ameritards always gooning about their own achivements
mfw when the one-up dick measuring competition between two powers has the win condition of a one-up dick measuring competition between two powers
They “won” the race because, unlike the USA, they had a total disregard for safety, ethics, and human decency. They were just sending people and animals up to their deaths at times. Yes the USA did bad things too during the cold war. But russian space exploration is not the flex tankies think it is.
>[space] race
>americans keep moving the goalpost
Keep posting this shit pls we definitely need more american propaganda in here
I think we can all 100% agree that the 19th C. great colonial powers were left in the dust. And that’s the funny part.
Nope. There’s only 1 space. But there are infinite moons and plants so that race never end. First to reach space wins. Moon, mars, another galaxy etc. is a forever game and its just changing goal posts.
TBF it would be really confusing if we had an event with a 5K, 10K, half marathon and full marathon all at the same time and at each finish line you had the option to keep going for the longer distance
Change the sub name to Coldwarmemes already
more like coming in second in the marathon then running a extra half marathon and saying you are the winner, satellites and men in space has been useful for a long time going to the moon not so much
america is just like lets do something pointless so we can say we won
**Objection:** the Soviets started the Space Race, therefore they get to set the rules.
People underestimate how much harder getting to the moon was than any other space mission before.
Soviet aerospace engineers when they have build and launch a satellite more complex than a radio beacon in a metal ball.
Context?
In my opinion the Soviets won the space race slightly more than my country, but overall nobody really LOST.
It was just wins for humanity in general.