The image that native anericans had in the american psyche and image jewish people had in nazi psyche are as separate as a dessert in earth and a dessert in mars.
There are some similarities but the differences are worlds apart.
Why the nazi theme of hatred of minority and their prosecution is perhaps the most common theme of modern era states and really also medieval and ancient for that matter.
Holocaust was something more. Nazi hatred of jews was unprecedented in scale as well as nature.
FourzeRiderTea on
If we ever were to replace the US flag, that last one would be Perfect as a replacement
Background_Relief_36 on
I have a feeling that this is going to be locked within the hour.
LastAzzBender on
The U.S. committed ethnic cleansing, forced removal, and mass death against Native Americans, brutal, deadly, and morally indefensible. But it was not the same as Nazi Germany’s project, which was an explicit, industrialized plan to biologically exterminate Jews as a race. The U.S. wanted Native land; the Nazis wanted Jewish people gone from existence. U.S. removal policies emphasize dispersal vs. Nazi wanted annihilation.
Fredwood on
Whaow
Key_Assumption_2776 on
Both would fit the legal definition of genocide. However, it’s considered extremely disrespectful to compare genocides. These events are not even similar, and it trivializes them both.
One was a ‘problem’ for the Third Reich, the other was a ‘problem’ for the Third President.
Stromovik on
One took inspiration from the other.
MrMr_sir_sir on
Have we finally ascended to the point of “genocide is banned no matter what?”
Practical-Bottle8900 on
And now the Israelis say “Palestinian problem'”.
Sufficient_Emu_8287 on
Israel: Palestinian problem
AshedCloud on
Fucking Andrew Jackson become president is crazy.
jhonnytheyank on
does the american flag generate the same revulsion in a native american that the nazi flag does in a jewish person ?
and the delicate and complex answer to this question is the delicate and complex difference between the two “problems” .
BNOC402 on
History is written by victors, exhibit # 9527
yourmomsthr0waway69 on
Reductionist Meme Monday it is then
nrm64 on
Didn’t hitler/nazis literally site native displacement and jim crow laws as inspo
DangerousPlan1284 on
All right, I’ll address the elephant in the room.
The Indian flag, looks like someone with massive hands is making bunny ears.
Ok_Knowledge_5496 on
This feels reductive and an insult to both groups. I get the feeling in a few years genocide porn will replace poverty porn
elmo555444 on
Fun fact, at the Nuremberg trials Nazis would cite the treatment of Native Americans as their inspiration.
No-Preference8168 on
Stop using Jewish history as your political football
Ricochet_skin on
It’s missing the Holodomor being treated as the “Ukrainian Problem” they’re all pretty much the same circumstances
miriamtzipporah on
They both undeniably committed genocide. However, I hate things like this, where atrocities are compared to each other. In the end, it just benefits the oppressor by discouraging solidarity.
No-Jackfruit-8366 on
When it said “Indian Problem,” I thought it meant 711 Indians based on the current climate we’re in right now.
gamerz1172 on
Honestly the main thing that makes the Nazis worse to me is how fucking good they were at it, it took them a few decades to beat and or at least rival the previous centuries of colonialist atrocities, it’s like Germany realized colonialism was dying and they had barely enough atrocities to make a full wikipedia page and decided to speed run them
Pitiful_Net_8971 on
The Nazis literally took inspiration from the United States government treatment of natives, seeking to industrialize what happened over here.
The fact that that stuff isn’t taught except in opinional history classes is extremely disappointing.
The_Meme_Dealer on
One inspired the other
Cossack1981 on
Native Americans were never targeted for eradication. The government wanted the land and resources, but an official order for the eradication of an entire people was never given. Absolutely not the same.
Adgvyb3456 on
Didn’t the vast majority die before America was a country. (Not excusing the millions America killed but like 50 million were killed by Europeans
geronimo501st on
The US policy towards natives is more comparable to the Nazi idea of Lebensraum. The enslavement and genocide of Eastern Europeans so their land could subsequently be colonized by Aryans.
Belkan-Federation95 on
It wasn’t black and white. Yeah, the US government did do genocide but it didn’t break every treaty and some Native American tribes were raiders who had terrorized their neighbors for centuries.
The trail of tears was definitely genocide but the Cherokee, Choctaw, and all them threw their lot in with the Confederacy and were slave owners themselves so the later treaties were broken by them
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The image that native anericans had in the american psyche and image jewish people had in nazi psyche are as separate as a dessert in earth and a dessert in mars.
There are some similarities but the differences are worlds apart.
Why the nazi theme of hatred of minority and their prosecution is perhaps the most common theme of modern era states and really also medieval and ancient for that matter.
Holocaust was something more. Nazi hatred of jews was unprecedented in scale as well as nature.
If we ever were to replace the US flag, that last one would be Perfect as a replacement
I have a feeling that this is going to be locked within the hour.
The U.S. committed ethnic cleansing, forced removal, and mass death against Native Americans, brutal, deadly, and morally indefensible. But it was not the same as Nazi Germany’s project, which was an explicit, industrialized plan to biologically exterminate Jews as a race. The U.S. wanted Native land; the Nazis wanted Jewish people gone from existence. U.S. removal policies emphasize dispersal vs. Nazi wanted annihilation.
Whaow
Both would fit the legal definition of genocide. However, it’s considered extremely disrespectful to compare genocides. These events are not even similar, and it trivializes them both.
I have no sympathy for Slavers.
[Trails of Tears](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears)
One was a ‘problem’ for the Third Reich, the other was a ‘problem’ for the Third President.
One took inspiration from the other.
Have we finally ascended to the point of “genocide is banned no matter what?”
And now the Israelis say “Palestinian problem'”.
Israel: Palestinian problem
Fucking Andrew Jackson become president is crazy.
does the american flag generate the same revulsion in a native american that the nazi flag does in a jewish person ?
and the delicate and complex answer to this question is the delicate and complex difference between the two “problems” .
History is written by victors, exhibit # 9527
Reductionist Meme Monday it is then
Didn’t hitler/nazis literally site native displacement and jim crow laws as inspo
All right, I’ll address the elephant in the room.
The Indian flag, looks like someone with massive hands is making bunny ears.
This feels reductive and an insult to both groups. I get the feeling in a few years genocide porn will replace poverty porn
Fun fact, at the Nuremberg trials Nazis would cite the treatment of Native Americans as their inspiration.
Stop using Jewish history as your political football
It’s missing the Holodomor being treated as the “Ukrainian Problem” they’re all pretty much the same circumstances
They both undeniably committed genocide. However, I hate things like this, where atrocities are compared to each other. In the end, it just benefits the oppressor by discouraging solidarity.
When it said “Indian Problem,” I thought it meant 711 Indians based on the current climate we’re in right now.
Honestly the main thing that makes the Nazis worse to me is how fucking good they were at it, it took them a few decades to beat and or at least rival the previous centuries of colonialist atrocities, it’s like Germany realized colonialism was dying and they had barely enough atrocities to make a full wikipedia page and decided to speed run them
The Nazis literally took inspiration from the United States government treatment of natives, seeking to industrialize what happened over here.
The fact that that stuff isn’t taught except in opinional history classes is extremely disappointing.
One inspired the other
Native Americans were never targeted for eradication. The government wanted the land and resources, but an official order for the eradication of an entire people was never given. Absolutely not the same.
Didn’t the vast majority die before America was a country. (Not excusing the millions America killed but like 50 million were killed by Europeans
The US policy towards natives is more comparable to the Nazi idea of Lebensraum. The enslavement and genocide of Eastern Europeans so their land could subsequently be colonized by Aryans.
It wasn’t black and white. Yeah, the US government did do genocide but it didn’t break every treaty and some Native American tribes were raiders who had terrorized their neighbors for centuries.
The trail of tears was definitely genocide but the Cherokee, Choctaw, and all them threw their lot in with the Confederacy and were slave owners themselves so the later treaties were broken by them
Definitely *not* the same picture.