And then the Winged Hussars arrived… Along with 5 times their number of other cavalry… And after the infantry had spent the entire day continuously driving the Ottomans back.
And then the Winged Hussars arrived… Along with 5 times their number of other cavalry… And after the infantry had spent the entire day continuously driving the Ottomans back.
Context: This meme has the purpose of recontextualizing the participation of the Winged Hussars at Vienna in 1683 as the cherry on top rather than the sunday itself.
Along with the fact that they were less than 5% of the total army, the troops they charged were, in general, relatively soft targets. Ottoman infantry had steadily declined in quality both technologically and discipline wise since their golden age, so while Winged Hussars were the only cavalry able to crack the pike and shot formations of European warfare, Ottoman troops were much softer targets for cavalry, as such formations were not employed by the Ottomans.
So while the charge was decisive in the battle, the above average aptitude of the Winged Hussars was overkill (though still evidently relevant) for the situations on the field, and the victory is much more due to the general quality edge the allied troops held over the Ottomans at that point rather than a glorious clutch by the hussars.
pjotr3 on
People like to fantasize about hussars and keep forgetting they were more like special force to finish enemy rather than regular army
Voorhees89 on
I misread Winged Hussars as Wings Hauser.
opie92 on
Heard from my Polish friend that those 3,000 Hussar flew in and struck em from the rear
bsheep_19 on
But.. but… cool Calvary charge!
Legitimate-Proof5152 on
but did those cavalry have wings and looked cool?
RamTank on
Just like Thermopylae.
299792458human on
Both here and Thermopylae, it’s not about who actually contributes the most forces, but rather who aura farms hardest. That’s the key determinant in who gets the Sabaton song.
osumanjeiran on
they have the coolest name though let them have this one
TheLordOfMiddleEarth on
The Germans did all the heavy lifting and the Poles get all the glory. Typical.
hopeless_case46 on
Next you’ll tell me there aren’t just 300 Spartans on the Hot Gates
gamerz1172 on
Ok but War isn’t a numbers game; who would have guessed a elite fucking cav regiment did a fuckton of damage to a besieging and tired enemy that had minimal fortifications protecting its camp.
Cav units might as well have been fucking tanks back in the day
ApolloniusTyaneus on
Are you suggesting that it wasn’t the king and his high nobility who won the day, but the peasant rabble? That sounds an awful lot like lese-majesty my soon to be drawn friend…
Hicalibre on
Calvary usually causes breaks in the enemy line, or distract enemy calvary from the bulk of the battle.
fjelskaug on
The 15000 strong American Expedition Force arriving in Europe to help the 10 million soldiers of the Entente in 1917 (France and UK won Verdun and Jutland in 1916, and Germany was on a continuous retreat and actively starving from the British blockade)
I would argue the point though. Winged hussars were one of the last if not the last example of true heavy cavalry who fought with Lance and shield and often were rather terrifying there are accounts (from the opposing side, eg not polish/Lithuanian) of winged hussars routing forces of up to five and six times their number while taking minimal casualties. 3000 may not seem like a lot compared to eighty thousand, but the contribution was substantial.
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Context: This meme has the purpose of recontextualizing the participation of the Winged Hussars at Vienna in 1683 as the cherry on top rather than the sunday itself.
Along with the fact that they were less than 5% of the total army, the troops they charged were, in general, relatively soft targets. Ottoman infantry had steadily declined in quality both technologically and discipline wise since their golden age, so while Winged Hussars were the only cavalry able to crack the pike and shot formations of European warfare, Ottoman troops were much softer targets for cavalry, as such formations were not employed by the Ottomans.
So while the charge was decisive in the battle, the above average aptitude of the Winged Hussars was overkill (though still evidently relevant) for the situations on the field, and the victory is much more due to the general quality edge the allied troops held over the Ottomans at that point rather than a glorious clutch by the hussars.
People like to fantasize about hussars and keep forgetting they were more like special force to finish enemy rather than regular army
I misread Winged Hussars as Wings Hauser.
Heard from my Polish friend that those 3,000 Hussar flew in and struck em from the rear
But.. but… cool Calvary charge!
but did those cavalry have wings and looked cool?
Just like Thermopylae.
Both here and Thermopylae, it’s not about who actually contributes the most forces, but rather who aura farms hardest. That’s the key determinant in who gets the Sabaton song.
they have the coolest name though let them have this one
The Germans did all the heavy lifting and the Poles get all the glory. Typical.
Next you’ll tell me there aren’t just 300 Spartans on the Hot Gates
Ok but War isn’t a numbers game; who would have guessed a elite fucking cav regiment did a fuckton of damage to a besieging and tired enemy that had minimal fortifications protecting its camp.
Cav units might as well have been fucking tanks back in the day
Are you suggesting that it wasn’t the king and his high nobility who won the day, but the peasant rabble? That sounds an awful lot like lese-majesty my soon to be drawn friend…
Calvary usually causes breaks in the enemy line, or distract enemy calvary from the bulk of the battle.
The 15000 strong American Expedition Force arriving in Europe to help the 10 million soldiers of the Entente in 1917 (France and UK won Verdun and Jutland in 1916, and Germany was on a continuous retreat and actively starving from the British blockade)
r/expectedsabaton
But the winged hussars have [a Sabaton song](https://youtu.be/rcYhYO02f98?si=jSEdtoAkCaiFukAg) about them.
I would argue the point though. Winged hussars were one of the last if not the last example of true heavy cavalry who fought with Lance and shield and often were rather terrifying there are accounts (from the opposing side, eg not polish/Lithuanian) of winged hussars routing forces of up to five and six times their number while taking minimal casualties. 3000 may not seem like a lot compared to eighty thousand, but the contribution was substantial.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/dobN0Dy0WE