Watching Servant of the People, Zelensky’s comedy show that elevated him to the presidency, the constant conversation about politicians not speaking the national language, which was due to their imperial occupation, reminded me of Ireland.
akasaya on
Invasive species from r/ussr incoming in 3… 2…
Lapkonium on
Two key differences:
– Britain didn’t suffer alongside
– Ireland never recovered
tyrannosaurus_gekko on
Almost like “small country next to larger empire that’s kinda similar culturally” is not a title any country would want
lifeisaman on
Funny thing the Irish famine wasn’t man made though, the blight was a real thing that caused the famine, the government didn’t help much especially after the PM Peel got ousted, who did try relive the famine before he switched parties and got removed.
Adventurous_Lunch_35 on
Their respective WWII experiences are very different, though. Ukraine tends to get dragged into more continental conflicts, not just WWII but the Great Northern War.
Captain_Weebson on
There is a lot more similarities between Ireland and Ukraine other then famine
>Both were at one point centralised states that then got quickly fractured by infighting (Irish Kingdoms and Rus)
>Both got a historical figure that is arguably a beginning when foreign incursion occured Diarmait Mac Murchada and Khmelnisky respectfully
>Both got that warrior and borderline brigands caste that gets romanticised by folklore: Gallowglass and Cossacks respectfully
>Both suffered from their occupying Empires with said empires erasing culture, language and rendering general population as a second or even third class citizens: Anglification and Russification respectfully, both also faced religious prosecutions though Ukraine less as those prosecutions and discriminations occured under Polish-Lithunian commonwealth, Ireland meanwhile for significantly longer and English prosecutions of Irish Catholics, and Catholics in general were much more brutal on top of English Bloody Code
>Both had imprinted into national memory famines as mentioned here
>Both fought a bloody wars for independence with both also having infighting after it or during it (civil war for Ireland and Ukrainian People’s Republic infighting with Western Ukrianian People’s Republic), unfortunately Ukraine lost it first time, regained it and is now fighting a war to ensure it’s survival
>Both are divided: Northern Ireland for Ireland, Donbass and Crimea for Ukraine.
MirageintheVoid on
Bengal Sultanate: Did you forget someone?
Tovarisch_Rozovyy on
Vietnam and India too
Appropriate_Box1380 on
Well none of those were 100% man-made but both were definetly exacerbated by the British and the Soviets as a way to genocide Ireland and Ukraine.
AndreasDasos on
Man-*exacerbated* vs. man-made. The blight itself was hardly devised in a British lab.
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Now add a third arm for India
I recommend the book
*Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin*
by Timothy Snyder
Watching Servant of the People, Zelensky’s comedy show that elevated him to the presidency, the constant conversation about politicians not speaking the national language, which was due to their imperial occupation, reminded me of Ireland.
Invasive species from r/ussr incoming in 3… 2…
Two key differences:
– Britain didn’t suffer alongside
– Ireland never recovered
Almost like “small country next to larger empire that’s kinda similar culturally” is not a title any country would want
Funny thing the Irish famine wasn’t man made though, the blight was a real thing that caused the famine, the government didn’t help much especially after the PM Peel got ousted, who did try relive the famine before he switched parties and got removed.
Their respective WWII experiences are very different, though. Ukraine tends to get dragged into more continental conflicts, not just WWII but the Great Northern War.
There is a lot more similarities between Ireland and Ukraine other then famine
>Both were at one point centralised states that then got quickly fractured by infighting (Irish Kingdoms and Rus)
>Both got a historical figure that is arguably a beginning when foreign incursion occured Diarmait Mac Murchada and Khmelnisky respectfully
>Both got that warrior and borderline brigands caste that gets romanticised by folklore: Gallowglass and Cossacks respectfully
>Both suffered from their occupying Empires with said empires erasing culture, language and rendering general population as a second or even third class citizens: Anglification and Russification respectfully, both also faced religious prosecutions though Ukraine less as those prosecutions and discriminations occured under Polish-Lithunian commonwealth, Ireland meanwhile for significantly longer and English prosecutions of Irish Catholics, and Catholics in general were much more brutal on top of English Bloody Code
>Both had imprinted into national memory famines as mentioned here
>Both fought a bloody wars for independence with both also having infighting after it or during it (civil war for Ireland and Ukrainian People’s Republic infighting with Western Ukrianian People’s Republic), unfortunately Ukraine lost it first time, regained it and is now fighting a war to ensure it’s survival
>Both are divided: Northern Ireland for Ireland, Donbass and Crimea for Ukraine.
Bengal Sultanate: Did you forget someone?
Vietnam and India too
Well none of those were 100% man-made but both were definetly exacerbated by the British and the Soviets as a way to genocide Ireland and Ukraine.
Man-*exacerbated* vs. man-made. The blight itself was hardly devised in a British lab.