How do you suppose they could have finished the war with Britain? They couldn’t do it via the Navy, and they had already lost the Battle Of Britain.
ZeitgeistWurst on
I mean, Hitler fundamentally did not understand the US economic strength, and IIRC the common opinion when the invasion into the USSR started was that they would be defeated within a few months.
It seems irrational from a modern viewpoint, but back then, the two weren’t seen as strong as they turned out to be, including by many that weren’t on the axis side.
Indy_10 on
Our gains?
jackofslayers on
I am beginning to think this Hitler fellow ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
AnguishedGoose on
Yet another “if the Nazis weren’t Nazis and WWII wasn’t WWII, Germany could’ve won”
Open-Trifle-6309 on
Wow you don’t know history
Northern_Baron on
His decision to declare war on the US is what truly baffles me. I get that he could then legally unleash his subs in full force and cut British supplies, but overall it just looks like a WW1 misstep repeat.
Does declaring war stop loans? No, it likely accelerates their issuance. Does it turn US public opinion against the war? No, the opposite.
Rough_Proposal553 on
You forgot that Hitler’s main goal was to conquer USSR for his lebensraum.
Malvastor on
From their standpoint at the time invading the USSR looked like not just a relatively easy move, but a downright necessary one. Meanwhile the British were basically pushed off continental Europe entirely; it would have been easy (if still entirely wrong) to assume that the British would accept the new status quo and sue for peace sooner or later.
And from the German standpoint they were pretty much already at war with America, since American ships were shooting at German ones in the Atlantic and America was heavily supplying Britain far beyond even a thin veil of neutrality.
816legend on
Well the USSR needed a lot of US help to get going
koshka91 on
Hitler’s argument was that Russians are evil hordes bent on expansion. Even if that were true, building a coalition against Russia is the saner approach than attacking it.
But this required him to dislodge himself from the notions that Jews run the Anglos. You can’t take Russia on your own. But Hitler foolishly assumed that he could.
skeleton949 on
Okay but why is the guy in Space Marine Armor
Thalivinproof on
is there a reason hes a space marine
Electrical-Counter-3 on
“Our”? 🤔
allthebaseareeee on
How was he meant too finish the war with Britain or go anywhere in Africa without access to oil?
The war was lost when the Battle of Britain was won by the allies, he had no ability to stop the Royal Navy dominating the Med so Africa was guaranteed to fail.
cooljerry53 on
Why is it 40k?
Rorp24 on
From what I remembered, hitler didn’t wanted to attack the US at first, but japoneses decided to do it, shitting the fan.
femboyenjoyer1379 on
Why is he a space marine?
Stargost_ on
A) They would’ve gone to war with the US regardless of whether Nazi Germany declared war against the US or not. Mainly because of Pearl Harbor and because the US wouldn’t allow one of their closest allies, the UK, to have their hegemony contested and replaced by that of Germany. The moment Britain is close to losing the US is entering the war. And before you propose it, no, there’s no way that Japan would’ve not bombed Pearl Harbor. Maybe you can delay it a couple of weeks or months at best, but they have to attack Pearl Harbor to cripple US naval power projection before the Japanese army runs out of oil. They were thirsty for that oil in the Dutch East Indies, and the Philippines (under US control) was in the way.
B) The Nazis went to war against the Soviets to beat them _before_ they might become a threat. The Nazis, and Hitler especially, absolutely despised Communism. They also made careful calculus before attacking eastern Europe. They were sure that their industry, intelligence, tactics, experience, and technology were superior to that of the soviets, and they hoped that their blitzing tactics could get them to Moscow and the Caucasus before the Soviets could mobilize the troops in Siberia and Eastern Russia to defend the motherland. Unfortunately for them, the Nazi generals underestimated Soviet resistance. They expected the territories to not fight back or even receive them as liberators, which only occurred at the start. The closer they got to Moscow, the stronger the resistance got. Then came the supply line issues and General Winter.
Elektron_Anbar on
HOI4 players when you tell them you can’t just paradrop into Britain to end the war
itsyaboihos on
“Our” yikes
Kroenen1984 on
Tja, das war schon dumm
DefTheOcelot on
1. The longer he took to declare war on the USSR, the stronger they’d get. Also they are fascists so they’re fucking stupid and all of them were hyping eachother up.
2. yeah idfk what on earth they were thinking there. Should have thrown japan under the bus. The american public probably would have been harder to get to tolerate Germany First then.
EarthTrash on
What do you mean by “our” gains in Europe?
Legitimate-Laugh7106 on
The Germans needed oil from Russia and they thought since they took France so fast they could take Russia.
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How do you suppose they could have finished the war with Britain? They couldn’t do it via the Navy, and they had already lost the Battle Of Britain.
I mean, Hitler fundamentally did not understand the US economic strength, and IIRC the common opinion when the invasion into the USSR started was that they would be defeated within a few months.
It seems irrational from a modern viewpoint, but back then, the two weren’t seen as strong as they turned out to be, including by many that weren’t on the axis side.
Our gains?
I am beginning to think this Hitler fellow ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
Yet another “if the Nazis weren’t Nazis and WWII wasn’t WWII, Germany could’ve won”
Wow you don’t know history
His decision to declare war on the US is what truly baffles me. I get that he could then legally unleash his subs in full force and cut British supplies, but overall it just looks like a WW1 misstep repeat.
Does declaring war stop loans? No, it likely accelerates their issuance. Does it turn US public opinion against the war? No, the opposite.
You forgot that Hitler’s main goal was to conquer USSR for his lebensraum.
From their standpoint at the time invading the USSR looked like not just a relatively easy move, but a downright necessary one. Meanwhile the British were basically pushed off continental Europe entirely; it would have been easy (if still entirely wrong) to assume that the British would accept the new status quo and sue for peace sooner or later.
And from the German standpoint they were pretty much already at war with America, since American ships were shooting at German ones in the Atlantic and America was heavily supplying Britain far beyond even a thin veil of neutrality.
Well the USSR needed a lot of US help to get going
Hitler’s argument was that Russians are evil hordes bent on expansion. Even if that were true, building a coalition against Russia is the saner approach than attacking it.
But this required him to dislodge himself from the notions that Jews run the Anglos. You can’t take Russia on your own. But Hitler foolishly assumed that he could.
Okay but why is the guy in Space Marine Armor
is there a reason hes a space marine
“Our”? 🤔
How was he meant too finish the war with Britain or go anywhere in Africa without access to oil?
The war was lost when the Battle of Britain was won by the allies, he had no ability to stop the Royal Navy dominating the Med so Africa was guaranteed to fail.
Why is it 40k?
From what I remembered, hitler didn’t wanted to attack the US at first, but japoneses decided to do it, shitting the fan.
Why is he a space marine?
A) They would’ve gone to war with the US regardless of whether Nazi Germany declared war against the US or not. Mainly because of Pearl Harbor and because the US wouldn’t allow one of their closest allies, the UK, to have their hegemony contested and replaced by that of Germany. The moment Britain is close to losing the US is entering the war. And before you propose it, no, there’s no way that Japan would’ve not bombed Pearl Harbor. Maybe you can delay it a couple of weeks or months at best, but they have to attack Pearl Harbor to cripple US naval power projection before the Japanese army runs out of oil. They were thirsty for that oil in the Dutch East Indies, and the Philippines (under US control) was in the way.
B) The Nazis went to war against the Soviets to beat them _before_ they might become a threat. The Nazis, and Hitler especially, absolutely despised Communism. They also made careful calculus before attacking eastern Europe. They were sure that their industry, intelligence, tactics, experience, and technology were superior to that of the soviets, and they hoped that their blitzing tactics could get them to Moscow and the Caucasus before the Soviets could mobilize the troops in Siberia and Eastern Russia to defend the motherland. Unfortunately for them, the Nazi generals underestimated Soviet resistance. They expected the territories to not fight back or even receive them as liberators, which only occurred at the start. The closer they got to Moscow, the stronger the resistance got. Then came the supply line issues and General Winter.
HOI4 players when you tell them you can’t just paradrop into Britain to end the war
“Our” yikes
Tja, das war schon dumm
1. The longer he took to declare war on the USSR, the stronger they’d get. Also they are fascists so they’re fucking stupid and all of them were hyping eachother up.
2. yeah idfk what on earth they were thinking there. Should have thrown japan under the bus. The american public probably would have been harder to get to tolerate Germany First then.
What do you mean by “our” gains in Europe?
The Germans needed oil from Russia and they thought since they took France so fast they could take Russia.