“It’s okay, I can take it” 1941 edition

    by jackt-up

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    1. redstercoolpanda on

      How do you suppose they could have finished the war with Britain? They couldn’t do it via the Navy, and they had already lost the Battle Of Britain.

    2. ZeitgeistWurst on

      I mean, Hitler fundamentally did not understand the US economic strength, and IIRC the common opinion when the invasion into the USSR started was that they would be defeated within a few months.

      It seems irrational from a modern viewpoint, but back then, the two weren’t seen as strong as they turned out to be, including by many that weren’t on the axis side.

    3. AnguishedGoose on

      Yet another “if the Nazis weren’t Nazis and WWII wasn’t WWII, Germany could’ve won”

    4. Northern_Baron on

      His decision to declare war on the US is what truly baffles me. I get that he could then legally unleash his subs in full force and cut British supplies, but overall it just looks like a WW1 misstep repeat.

      Does declaring war stop loans? No, it likely accelerates their issuance. Does it turn US public opinion against the war? No, the opposite.

    5. From their standpoint at the time invading the USSR looked like not just a relatively easy move, but a downright necessary one. Meanwhile the British were basically pushed off continental Europe entirely; it would have been easy (if still entirely wrong) to assume that the British would accept the new status quo and sue for peace sooner or later.

      And from the German standpoint they were pretty much already at war with America, since American ships were shooting at German ones in the Atlantic and America was heavily supplying Britain far beyond even a thin veil of neutrality.

    6. Hitler’s argument was that Russians are evil hordes bent on expansion. Even if that were true, building a coalition against Russia is the saner approach than attacking it.
      But this required him to dislodge himself from the notions that Jews run the Anglos. You can’t take Russia on your own. But Hitler foolishly assumed that he could.

    7. allthebaseareeee on

      How was he meant too finish the war with Britain or go anywhere in Africa without access to oil?

      The war was lost when the Battle of Britain was won by the allies, he had no ability to stop the Royal Navy dominating the Med so Africa was guaranteed to fail.

    8. From what I remembered, hitler didn’t wanted to attack the US at first, but japoneses decided to do it, shitting the fan.

    9. A) They would’ve gone to war with the US regardless of whether Nazi Germany declared war against the US or not. Mainly because of Pearl Harbor and because the US wouldn’t allow one of their closest allies, the UK, to have their hegemony contested and replaced by that of Germany. The moment Britain is close to losing the US is entering the war. And before you propose it, no, there’s no way that Japan would’ve not bombed Pearl Harbor. Maybe you can delay it a couple of weeks or months at best, but they have to attack Pearl Harbor to cripple US naval power projection before the Japanese army runs out of oil. They were thirsty for that oil in the Dutch East Indies, and the Philippines (under US control) was in the way.

      B) The Nazis went to war against the Soviets to beat them _before_ they might become a threat. The Nazis, and Hitler especially, absolutely despised Communism. They also made careful calculus before attacking eastern Europe. They were sure that their industry, intelligence, tactics, experience, and technology were superior to that of the soviets, and they hoped that their blitzing tactics could get them to Moscow and the Caucasus before the Soviets could mobilize the troops in Siberia and Eastern Russia to defend the motherland. Unfortunately for them, the Nazi generals underestimated Soviet resistance. They expected the territories to not fight back or even receive them as liberators, which only occurred at the start. The closer they got to Moscow, the stronger the resistance got. Then came the supply line issues and General Winter.

    10. 1. The longer he took to declare war on the USSR, the stronger they’d get. Also they are fascists so they’re fucking stupid and all of them were hyping eachother up.

      2. yeah idfk what on earth they were thinking there. Should have thrown japan under the bus. The american public probably would have been harder to get to tolerate Germany First then.

    11. Legitimate-Laugh7106 on

      The Germans needed oil from Russia and they thought since they took France so fast they could take Russia.

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