Big “disability or no, I can still be pissed I can’t park closer.”
I mean, yeah, ya *can*
Mr_Phishfood on
I remember a documentry about a bunch of kids with tourettes, they got them all together to go on a day out so they could record what life was like for them. By the end of it one of the kids had some serious doubts about this one kid who kept yelling n****hard-R, observing they were even saying it while looking eye-to-eye with someone.
IchorFrankenmime on
Sure, but at that point you have to admit it’s not about intention anymore, it’s a cycle of trauma all the way down.
lareetpetitemort on
Yeah, the lack of intention doesn’t make the word any less impactful.
It still is humiliating to have it happen in front of your peers and on live television, especially when you have to act like it’s fine because it’s Tourette’s. Not like you _just_ had a slur yelled at you, or anything.
SitchChick on
His right to inclusion does not trump someone else’s right to not be subjected to racial slurs
HatefulDan on
Yea, I get and understand it. That said, they should’ve accommodated my man with a separate viewing space with a Live Feed if there was a chance that he’d be using the hard R while Black presenters are at the podium.
Even if they can’t control their outbursts, people who live with Tourette’s are aware of their tick vocab.
Longjumping-Tip1188 on
Why must I crawl for a crumb of context every time I appear?
I came for answers, not a scavenger hunt in here.
baldyrodinson on
The trap with tourettes is there’s little to no control over what they do when a tick happens.
Now the trap part is even if they really have it doesn’t mean they can’t still be racist or just a problematic ahole.
ShelbyGT350R1 on
Nah man. Intent is everything.
BreadfruitCold8573 on
Both can exist imo. It should be said very few people who have Tourette’s have the vocal tick that makes them say bad things (I forget the word for it) and of those, I’ve actually yet to seen one that has slurs involved
Stankleigh on
I’m so, so thankful that my flavor of utterance is just “comforting things I’ve said to my loved ones”, but I spent a literal decade avoiding all explicit lyrics and other media just to ensure that slurs stayed out of my lexicon. I also leave the room when I know I’m stressed or tired and my utterances would be disruptive.
Good intention doesn’t cancel out bad impacts. If you’re a slur shouter or have other violent tics it’s your responsibility to avoid situations where you could harm others. Like, epileptics who have seizures can’t drive. Disability isn’t an excuse for irresponsibility. Jesus.
MakkNero on
I truly just can’t believe that the tic happened to be a Hard R right when two black men were on stage.
Like I’m not saying buddy doesn’t have tourettes, but I am saying that it feels like an awful convenient cover to say really deviant shit with no repercussions. ESPECIALLY since we know the disability doesn’t strictly work that way.
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Embarrassed_Cow on
Have the two presenters actually spoken out and said they were upset?
Mzuark on
I think demanding a disabled man apologize for his disability flairing up is a slippery slope.
UnlimitedManny on
My thing is: of all offensive shit to say, Tourettes had him yell the n word? Like damn bro not even something else bro
lowtoiletsitter on
As an aside, medicine can only go so far
Having Tourette’s is an awful disease. Two of my friends have it (one is verbal)
My verbal friend has tried to kill himself twice because of it. He doesn’t like what comes out of his mouth and he hates that it offends people
Most importantly, he hates his that neurons are fucked up and he can’t stop it. All he wants to do is live a normal life, but he knows he won’t so he spends most of his time inside. If he needs to go somewhere, it has to be when there aren’t a lot of people and that’s not always possible
Obviously you don’t wanna be in a store and hear a bunch of swearing (and worse), because you don’t if there’s intent behind it. On the opposite side, you don’t want to have to explain yourself to everyone every single time you go out
There’s nuance to it, and nobody wins
OldDistribution91 on
Nah fuck that – he meant that shit
Cratonis on
I love a good human take on things. It makes social media feel social agin and not literally SkyNet.
VapidRapidRabbit on
I mean, the BAFTAs cut Alan Cumming’s apology AND issued an excuse rather than an apology. I’d say black people are right to be upset with how the situation has been handled.
chief_yETI on
letting a person with Tourettes sit in a large room where the microphone can pick everything up, with no kind of sound proofed section for him is like making someone in a wheelchair sit directly on top of a flight of stairs
The NFL has soundproofed booths where rich people and celebrities can see the game without having everyone hear their conversations, they could get a soundproofed section where the dude could sit?
ooowatsthat on
All I’m seeing in Reddit is White people telling Black people they need to suck it up, and this man has priority over any feelings we have.
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Sorry, nah.
Big “disability or no, I can still be pissed I can’t park closer.”
I mean, yeah, ya *can*
I remember a documentry about a bunch of kids with tourettes, they got them all together to go on a day out so they could record what life was like for them. By the end of it one of the kids had some serious doubts about this one kid who kept yelling n****hard-R, observing they were even saying it while looking eye-to-eye with someone.
Sure, but at that point you have to admit it’s not about intention anymore, it’s a cycle of trauma all the way down.
Yeah, the lack of intention doesn’t make the word any less impactful.
It still is humiliating to have it happen in front of your peers and on live television, especially when you have to act like it’s fine because it’s Tourette’s. Not like you _just_ had a slur yelled at you, or anything.
His right to inclusion does not trump someone else’s right to not be subjected to racial slurs
Yea, I get and understand it. That said, they should’ve accommodated my man with a separate viewing space with a Live Feed if there was a chance that he’d be using the hard R while Black presenters are at the podium.
Even if they can’t control their outbursts, people who live with Tourette’s are aware of their tick vocab.
Why must I crawl for a crumb of context every time I appear?
I came for answers, not a scavenger hunt in here.
The trap with tourettes is there’s little to no control over what they do when a tick happens.
Now the trap part is even if they really have it doesn’t mean they can’t still be racist or just a problematic ahole.
Nah man. Intent is everything.
Both can exist imo. It should be said very few people who have Tourette’s have the vocal tick that makes them say bad things (I forget the word for it) and of those, I’ve actually yet to seen one that has slurs involved
I’m so, so thankful that my flavor of utterance is just “comforting things I’ve said to my loved ones”, but I spent a literal decade avoiding all explicit lyrics and other media just to ensure that slurs stayed out of my lexicon. I also leave the room when I know I’m stressed or tired and my utterances would be disruptive.
Good intention doesn’t cancel out bad impacts. If you’re a slur shouter or have other violent tics it’s your responsibility to avoid situations where you could harm others. Like, epileptics who have seizures can’t drive. Disability isn’t an excuse for irresponsibility. Jesus.
I truly just can’t believe that the tic happened to be a Hard R right when two black men were on stage.
Like I’m not saying buddy doesn’t have tourettes, but I am saying that it feels like an awful convenient cover to say really deviant shit with no repercussions. ESPECIALLY since we know the disability doesn’t strictly work that way.
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Have the two presenters actually spoken out and said they were upset?
I think demanding a disabled man apologize for his disability flairing up is a slippery slope.
My thing is: of all offensive shit to say, Tourettes had him yell the n word? Like damn bro not even something else bro
As an aside, medicine can only go so far
Having Tourette’s is an awful disease. Two of my friends have it (one is verbal)
My verbal friend has tried to kill himself twice because of it. He doesn’t like what comes out of his mouth and he hates that it offends people
Most importantly, he hates his that neurons are fucked up and he can’t stop it. All he wants to do is live a normal life, but he knows he won’t so he spends most of his time inside. If he needs to go somewhere, it has to be when there aren’t a lot of people and that’s not always possible
Obviously you don’t wanna be in a store and hear a bunch of swearing (and worse), because you don’t if there’s intent behind it. On the opposite side, you don’t want to have to explain yourself to everyone every single time you go out
There’s nuance to it, and nobody wins
Nah fuck that – he meant that shit
I love a good human take on things. It makes social media feel social agin and not literally SkyNet.
I mean, the BAFTAs cut Alan Cumming’s apology AND issued an excuse rather than an apology. I’d say black people are right to be upset with how the situation has been handled.
letting a person with Tourettes sit in a large room where the microphone can pick everything up, with no kind of sound proofed section for him is like making someone in a wheelchair sit directly on top of a flight of stairs
The NFL has soundproofed booths where rich people and celebrities can see the game without having everyone hear their conversations, they could get a soundproofed section where the dude could sit?
All I’m seeing in Reddit is White people telling Black people they need to suck it up, and this man has priority over any feelings we have.