But a lot of them were rice farmers that got conscripted and were armed with AKs……….
Brinabavd on
The PLA got their ass handed to them when they invaded Vietnam because they didn’t have AKs – they sent all the ones they made to the Vietnamese.
JacobJamesTrowbridge on
Now the LASV, though, they pretty much were just rice peasants with AKs.
femboyisbestboy on
It’s a paradox, because at the same time they claim Vietnamese MiG-21’s ran fades with the phantom.
The brick ofc didn’t not back down from a Fishbed
macfail on
Of course the AKM is a modern firearm, it’s literally what the M in the name stands for.
AsstacularSpiderman on
Tankies will always act like anyone fighting Americans are backwards if it makes Americans look bad and not actual battle hardened troops with enormous amounts of foreign backing.
Kind of reveals their racism.
_whatever_idc on
The more you read about 2nd Indochina war the worse it gets for the US. True story.
WurstWesponder on
Regarding Viet Cong/NLF force structure, there was a big divide in the war into “Pre-Tet” and “Post-Tet” periods. Before the Tet offensive, the war in the south was primarily guerrilla in nature, with the Viet Cong being composed of local forces with strong ties to local communities and participation by autonomous Southern actors.
In the process of the Tet offensive and its immediate aftermath, however, the southern guerrilla units built from locals were largely decimated and rendered combat ineffective while their local guerrilla networks and relationships were rooted out by the US and ARVN forces. From this point on, VC/NLF combat units largely ceased to be autonomous guerrilla units and instead became extensions of the NVA, with their manpower and materiel largely coming from the North along the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos/Cambodia. This caused a lot of resentment among the VC, as their political and military authority and agency were undermined by the incoming NVA forces and their hard work in building up local trust and covert networks were undone by a largely wasteful and futile attempt at taking on the US and ARVN directly. However, the overall professionalism and combat effectiveness of the VC grew as they became increasingly dominated by regulars instead of guerrillas.
So really, prior to 1968, it was fairly accurate to say it was largely rice farmers with leftover French and Japanese rifles and roadside bombs, but after Tet the US and ARVN were largely opposed by regular units with modern Soviet/Chinese equipment and quality military training and organization.
Gold_Size_1258 on
Btw Vietnam’s casulties in that war were like 20 times higher than USA’s. America really pulled out because of public opinion and not because they were loosing.
mattio_p on
It’s a cultural misunderstanding, your average Vietnamese rice farmer actually flies a MiG-21 on their way to work
SoraMelodiosa on
Everyone knows it’s a slight exaggeration but it’s not inaccurate when you compare their strength to the US, just americans coping again
One of the thing I hate most is the trope “Vietnamese farmers master of the jungle beat American troops.”
Bitches please. A/Vietnamese farmers hated the jungle as much, if not more, than American GI, and suffered even worse. B/Vietnamese farmers weren’t just farmers – the legendary soldiers of 1972 were made up mostly of college students and college educated people. C/Vietnamese “farmers” were armed with top of the line weapons. The first use of AT-3 Sagger ATGM was in Vietnam; some of the first MANPADs were used in Vietnam. North Vietnam was even given giant ass Mi-6 helicopters to airlift their planes out of B-52 bombing
Jack-of-Hearts-7 on
The NVA were what won the war. Not the Viet Cong. The VC never fully recovered from Tet and had trouble gaining new recruits afterwards. It was The NVA that did most of the work after that.
Good_old_Marshmallow on
They defeated the US and then China back to back that’s one of the most impressive records any army has frankly
Thuyue on
Vietnamese here. The majority of PAVN (NVA) and NLF (VC) soldiers, were in fact, Rice farmers before being enlisted and trained as soldiers. They were pretty experienced in guerilla warfare and had some good weapons.
Still, the time for training and the availability of cutting edge weaponry was way more limited to what the US soldiers had. Mang Vietnamese Guerilla had to rely on older weapon stocks from WW2 before being handed the more shiny newly made Eastern Bloc weapons.
BaSingSe_Farmhand on
I think a big part of why this narrative is so prevalent in the US is because it is grimly ironic. the Continental Army started out as a bunch of farmers with guns (although many were veterans of the French and Indian War/7 Years War and trained regularly as local militias) who pushed the most powerful nation/empire in the world out of our home. And then 2 centuries later, we became the most powerful nation/empire in the world and were defeated by “farmers with guns.”
Cucumberneck on
To me as an eastern german it always takes a moment until i realise you people mean north Vietnams army instead of the Nationale Volksarmee.
Very confusing.
DweebLSD on
The NVA and the Viet Cong fought the French, the United States, China, and many other guerilla forces along their borders and people the audacity to call them “farmers”
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But a lot of them were rice farmers that got conscripted and were armed with AKs……….
The PLA got their ass handed to them when they invaded Vietnam because they didn’t have AKs – they sent all the ones they made to the Vietnamese.
Now the LASV, though, they pretty much were just rice peasants with AKs.
It’s a paradox, because at the same time they claim Vietnamese MiG-21’s ran fades with the phantom.
The brick ofc didn’t not back down from a Fishbed
Of course the AKM is a modern firearm, it’s literally what the M in the name stands for.
Tankies will always act like anyone fighting Americans are backwards if it makes Americans look bad and not actual battle hardened troops with enormous amounts of foreign backing.
Kind of reveals their racism.
The more you read about 2nd Indochina war the worse it gets for the US. True story.
Regarding Viet Cong/NLF force structure, there was a big divide in the war into “Pre-Tet” and “Post-Tet” periods. Before the Tet offensive, the war in the south was primarily guerrilla in nature, with the Viet Cong being composed of local forces with strong ties to local communities and participation by autonomous Southern actors.
In the process of the Tet offensive and its immediate aftermath, however, the southern guerrilla units built from locals were largely decimated and rendered combat ineffective while their local guerrilla networks and relationships were rooted out by the US and ARVN forces. From this point on, VC/NLF combat units largely ceased to be autonomous guerrilla units and instead became extensions of the NVA, with their manpower and materiel largely coming from the North along the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos/Cambodia. This caused a lot of resentment among the VC, as their political and military authority and agency were undermined by the incoming NVA forces and their hard work in building up local trust and covert networks were undone by a largely wasteful and futile attempt at taking on the US and ARVN directly. However, the overall professionalism and combat effectiveness of the VC grew as they became increasingly dominated by regulars instead of guerrillas.
So really, prior to 1968, it was fairly accurate to say it was largely rice farmers with leftover French and Japanese rifles and roadside bombs, but after Tet the US and ARVN were largely opposed by regular units with modern Soviet/Chinese equipment and quality military training and organization.
Btw Vietnam’s casulties in that war were like 20 times higher than USA’s. America really pulled out because of public opinion and not because they were loosing.
It’s a cultural misunderstanding, your average Vietnamese rice farmer actually flies a MiG-21 on their way to work
Everyone knows it’s a slight exaggeration but it’s not inaccurate when you compare their strength to the US, just americans coping again
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One of the thing I hate most is the trope “Vietnamese farmers master of the jungle beat American troops.”
Bitches please. A/Vietnamese farmers hated the jungle as much, if not more, than American GI, and suffered even worse. B/Vietnamese farmers weren’t just farmers – the legendary soldiers of 1972 were made up mostly of college students and college educated people. C/Vietnamese “farmers” were armed with top of the line weapons. The first use of AT-3 Sagger ATGM was in Vietnam; some of the first MANPADs were used in Vietnam. North Vietnam was even given giant ass Mi-6 helicopters to airlift their planes out of B-52 bombing
The NVA were what won the war. Not the Viet Cong. The VC never fully recovered from Tet and had trouble gaining new recruits afterwards. It was The NVA that did most of the work after that.
They defeated the US and then China back to back that’s one of the most impressive records any army has frankly
Vietnamese here. The majority of PAVN (NVA) and NLF (VC) soldiers, were in fact, Rice farmers before being enlisted and trained as soldiers. They were pretty experienced in guerilla warfare and had some good weapons.
Still, the time for training and the availability of cutting edge weaponry was way more limited to what the US soldiers had. Mang Vietnamese Guerilla had to rely on older weapon stocks from WW2 before being handed the more shiny newly made Eastern Bloc weapons.
I think a big part of why this narrative is so prevalent in the US is because it is grimly ironic. the Continental Army started out as a bunch of farmers with guns (although many were veterans of the French and Indian War/7 Years War and trained regularly as local militias) who pushed the most powerful nation/empire in the world out of our home. And then 2 centuries later, we became the most powerful nation/empire in the world and were defeated by “farmers with guns.”
To me as an eastern german it always takes a moment until i realise you people mean north Vietnams army instead of the Nationale Volksarmee.
Very confusing.
The NVA and the Viet Cong fought the French, the United States, China, and many other guerilla forces along their borders and people the audacity to call them “farmers”
Such disrespect
Okay, and the VC?