I feel like I see something like this post every other week.
Made me laugh in the Shogun show where Blackthorne is like “I can get you guns!” and they just look confused and say “We have guns!”
LittleMissFirebright on
Look, from a fiction perspective, guns aren’t sexy. Swords will always be superior, with very few exceptions.
Bitches love cannons.
no_name_thought_of on
Satsuma rebellion did a lot for how they were remembered
Edit: I’m just going off what i’ve heard about it, so salt grains required
The-marx-channel on
They were also not serving the emperor, the emperor was basically a figurehead that didn’t have much power
owa00 on
Parry this you filthy casual!
-Samurai (probably)
Keyserchief on
In 1600, there were more firearms in Japan than the whole European continent
alexlongfur on
Samurai in fiction: “Sword is Life!”
Samurai IRL: *99 percent adopt firearms and then ruthlessly slaughter the idiots that went “Sword is Life!”*
No-Benefit-9559 on
As an American, I have never felt a greater kinship with the Japanese.
KenseiHimura on
“I own a musket for castle defense because that’s what the bushido masters intended!”
StatusOmega on
Samurai are trained to kill. Guns kill very efficiently. They’re perfect for eachother.
BlueString94 on
It’s such a stupid trope, one because it’s absurd to think a warrior caste would not ensure they were as lethal as possible, and two because of the implication that hacking someone’s flesh to bits with sharpened metal is somehow more honorable than shooting them with a bullet.
ExLuckMaster on
Opening of the game Red Ninja in a nutshell. The Takeda clan decimated an entire calvary with their guns but Shingen was like “no honorable shameful dispray, that ain’t how bushido works”.
Sucks to be him the Oda ninja later stole the blueprints. And the battle of Nagashino was a role reversal on the Takeda.
Anghellik on
The thing nobody tells you is that the katana was usually their backup weapon.
marksman629 on
I like the scene in seven samurai where Kyuzo the most ‘honor-bound’ samurai goes with his friends to set the enemy’s house on fire while they slept and cut them down as they ran out undressed.
Captain_Weebson on
Though true, the gun (at least when it comes to the Sengoku period) is quite overblown, no pun intended, the bow was central weapon in the Japanese warfare for centuries. Guns meanwhile from 1540s to 1560s/70s was a very expensive and rare commodity with not many people figuring out how to properly utilise them (not to mention it took a lot of time to spread through Japan, for instance Tohoku clans only first able to get their hands in them in 1560s) and during that time it was Saika-shu mercenaries from Kii that developed and evolved Japanese musketry and skirmish tactics that later everyone adopted constrained by, again, amount of guns per armies. Its only in 1590s where you see a dramatic increase of amount of guns however they never displaced the bow as many people may think
GladiusNocturno on
It’s an aspect they did well in Drifters
Toyohisa Shimazu was portrayed as a samurai who also carried a flintlock.
And the first thing Nobunaga does when they liberate the dwarves is tell them to build them guns.
Hell, Nobunaga got a huge smile when he met Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and he saw revolvers and gatling guns in action.
Samurai did see guns as dishonorable. They fucking loved them.
HistorianEntire311 on
Yes, they’re warriors, not idiots. If they see that there are more effective weapons than katanas, they won’t hesitate to use them.
Particular_Dot_4041 on
The samurai were however annoyed that guns were easy to use and therefore allowed peasants to be just as effective on the battlefield as samurai. In fact when modern rifles and handguns showed up in the 19th century the samurai became obsolete, their privileges were abolished.
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Gun go pew-pew and its very effective
I feel like I see something like this post every other week.
Made me laugh in the Shogun show where Blackthorne is like “I can get you guns!” and they just look confused and say “We have guns!”
Look, from a fiction perspective, guns aren’t sexy. Swords will always be superior, with very few exceptions.
Bitches love cannons.
Satsuma rebellion did a lot for how they were remembered
Edit: I’m just going off what i’ve heard about it, so salt grains required
They were also not serving the emperor, the emperor was basically a figurehead that didn’t have much power
Parry this you filthy casual!
-Samurai (probably)
In 1600, there were more firearms in Japan than the whole European continent
Samurai in fiction: “Sword is Life!”
Samurai IRL: *99 percent adopt firearms and then ruthlessly slaughter the idiots that went “Sword is Life!”*
As an American, I have never felt a greater kinship with the Japanese.
“I own a musket for castle defense because that’s what the bushido masters intended!”
Samurai are trained to kill. Guns kill very efficiently. They’re perfect for eachother.
It’s such a stupid trope, one because it’s absurd to think a warrior caste would not ensure they were as lethal as possible, and two because of the implication that hacking someone’s flesh to bits with sharpened metal is somehow more honorable than shooting them with a bullet.
Opening of the game Red Ninja in a nutshell. The Takeda clan decimated an entire calvary with their guns but Shingen was like “no honorable shameful dispray, that ain’t how bushido works”.
Sucks to be him the Oda ninja later stole the blueprints. And the battle of Nagashino was a role reversal on the Takeda.
The thing nobody tells you is that the katana was usually their backup weapon.
I like the scene in seven samurai where Kyuzo the most ‘honor-bound’ samurai goes with his friends to set the enemy’s house on fire while they slept and cut them down as they ran out undressed.
Though true, the gun (at least when it comes to the Sengoku period) is quite overblown, no pun intended, the bow was central weapon in the Japanese warfare for centuries. Guns meanwhile from 1540s to 1560s/70s was a very expensive and rare commodity with not many people figuring out how to properly utilise them (not to mention it took a lot of time to spread through Japan, for instance Tohoku clans only first able to get their hands in them in 1560s) and during that time it was Saika-shu mercenaries from Kii that developed and evolved Japanese musketry and skirmish tactics that later everyone adopted constrained by, again, amount of guns per armies. Its only in 1590s where you see a dramatic increase of amount of guns however they never displaced the bow as many people may think
It’s an aspect they did well in Drifters
Toyohisa Shimazu was portrayed as a samurai who also carried a flintlock.
And the first thing Nobunaga does when they liberate the dwarves is tell them to build them guns.
Hell, Nobunaga got a huge smile when he met Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and he saw revolvers and gatling guns in action.
Samurai did see guns as dishonorable. They fucking loved them.
Yes, they’re warriors, not idiots. If they see that there are more effective weapons than katanas, they won’t hesitate to use them.
The samurai were however annoyed that guns were easy to use and therefore allowed peasants to be just as effective on the battlefield as samurai. In fact when modern rifles and handguns showed up in the 19th century the samurai became obsolete, their privileges were abolished.