“Nothing less than unconditional surrender will be accepted” you’re god damn right
Electronic_Log53 on
Hard to win “Best General” when the guy who speedran the Confederacy any% glitchless walks in.
Geolib1453 on
Oh come on there are many generals better than Ulysses S. Grant
Puzzleheaded_Wish727 on
Historical urban legend, nobody knows if this really happened, but I hope it’s true.
Apparently it was a controversial decision to make Grant supreme commander of the Union forces. An advisor told President Lincoln “but sir, he’s a drunk!”
Lincoln responded with a question, “what’s his preferred drink?”
“Whiskey”
To which Lincoln shouted “well get him more!”
DunsocMonitor on
George S Patton Jr
Top-Candle-5481 on
It’s all fun and games to talk about the war (2 forefathers who fought for the Union, Cavalry Officer on the Swiss side of the family), but holy shit did the Union fuck up Reconstruction
YouMeAndReneDupree on
IMO Grant is underrated due to decades (if not a century) of confederate and lost cause propaganda trying to put Lee on a pedestal..but he revolutionized US war doctrine as everyone before was still using focused on using Napoleonic tactics
jackt-up on
Does anybody else feel like we should take the “S” out of his name.
Best General ever. He’s so great that Lincoln even thought he was a threat to his 2nd Presidenial campaign in 1864. But once Grant confirmed his allegiance to Lincoln, he was instantly booted up to Lieutenant General.
Gothamur on
Helmuth von Moltke.
sillybonobo on
Claiming Grant is the greatest general of all time is kind of like claiming your undefeated high school basketball coach was the best basketball coach of all time. It’s possible: maybe their strategy and the leadership skills were literally unmatched. Certainly they excelled in the field in which they competed. But they were never really challenged at an appropriate level to make the claim they are the goat.
Grant’s greatest achievements are like crossing a river really fast and putting a bunch of materially disadvantaged Confederates in their place. He did that really well, but how do you compare that against people who fought the strongest armies in the world and won?
LusciousTheBreeder on
Napoleon looking at this challenge: *The Simpsons pathetic meme*
greg_mca on
Helmuth von Moltke the elder was a general at the same time as Grant, and commanded an army to war a year after the American civil war ended. He masterminded the crushing of the Austrian empire and pulled it off in 7 weeks, a defeat so total that it almost caused the empire to disintegrate and needed Russian invasion to restore Vienna’s control, leading to the compromise of 1867 and formation of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary. He then followed it up by defeating the then most powerful army in Europe in under 4 months.
I don’t even think it’s close
Miller5044 on
So, I would go out on a limb and put Grant and Clausewitz as absolute GOATS.
Grant for his absolute dismantling of Lee’s army during the Overland Campaign and his Vicksburg victory.
Clausewitz for his contributions in military strategy and Waterloo. Vom Kriege is great and his contributions to realpolitik are pretty dope.
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Nobody outside the usa knows what he did
“Nothing less than unconditional surrender will be accepted” you’re god damn right
Hard to win “Best General” when the guy who speedran the Confederacy any% glitchless walks in.
Oh come on there are many generals better than Ulysses S. Grant
Historical urban legend, nobody knows if this really happened, but I hope it’s true.
Apparently it was a controversial decision to make Grant supreme commander of the Union forces. An advisor told President Lincoln “but sir, he’s a drunk!”
Lincoln responded with a question, “what’s his preferred drink?”
“Whiskey”
To which Lincoln shouted “well get him more!”
George S Patton Jr
It’s all fun and games to talk about the war (2 forefathers who fought for the Union, Cavalry Officer on the Swiss side of the family), but holy shit did the Union fuck up Reconstruction
IMO Grant is underrated due to decades (if not a century) of confederate and lost cause propaganda trying to put Lee on a pedestal..but he revolutionized US war doctrine as everyone before was still using focused on using Napoleonic tactics
Does anybody else feel like we should take the “S” out of his name.
Ulysses Grant sounds cooler
https://www.thenmusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Eisenhower-1945-wiki.png
Just throw a handle of Whiskey at him.
And supported civil rights when president
Best General ever. He’s so great that Lincoln even thought he was a threat to his 2nd Presidenial campaign in 1864. But once Grant confirmed his allegiance to Lincoln, he was instantly booted up to Lieutenant General.
Helmuth von Moltke.
Claiming Grant is the greatest general of all time is kind of like claiming your undefeated high school basketball coach was the best basketball coach of all time. It’s possible: maybe their strategy and the leadership skills were literally unmatched. Certainly they excelled in the field in which they competed. But they were never really challenged at an appropriate level to make the claim they are the goat.
Grant’s greatest achievements are like crossing a river really fast and putting a bunch of materially disadvantaged Confederates in their place. He did that really well, but how do you compare that against people who fought the strongest armies in the world and won?
Napoleon looking at this challenge: *The Simpsons pathetic meme*
Helmuth von Moltke the elder was a general at the same time as Grant, and commanded an army to war a year after the American civil war ended. He masterminded the crushing of the Austrian empire and pulled it off in 7 weeks, a defeat so total that it almost caused the empire to disintegrate and needed Russian invasion to restore Vienna’s control, leading to the compromise of 1867 and formation of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary. He then followed it up by defeating the then most powerful army in Europe in under 4 months.
I don’t even think it’s close
So, I would go out on a limb and put Grant and Clausewitz as absolute GOATS.
Grant for his absolute dismantling of Lee’s army during the Overland Campaign and his Vicksburg victory.
Clausewitz for his contributions in military strategy and Waterloo. Vom Kriege is great and his contributions to realpolitik are pretty dope.