But look on the bright side Sparta, future humanity will name their [supersoldiers](https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/SPARTAN_Program) (conceived to fight overtaxed space farmers) after you guys!
The_ChadTC on
Important is too strong a word. They would remain a city for longer and would have more people living in it, but they weren’t important.
Dutch_Windmill on
Demographics is a hell of a thing
Overquartz on
If but never when.
Erther347 on
Sparta won the war, but Athens got the legacy.
adorbiliusKermode on
“Do you hear something, Alexandria?”
“Yeah Rome, as a matter of fact i do, but not too well.”
“Must have been the wind.”
Sabre712 on
Sparta’s own system shot them in the foot so badly. All of their landowners had to spend almost all of their early lives in the agoge, and were expected to run their estates and pay for their own spot. If they were the primary estate owner (remember, women couldn’t inherit, so if something happened to the father, it would automatically go to the son regardless of age) they had to do this while being completely cut off from the outside world, cuz no one leaves the agoge. Also, your spot in the agoge is tied to your citizenship, so if you can’t pay your own way in the agoge, you are out and lose your citizenship. This also means that since citizenship is hereditary, your descendants lose their citizenship, so the Spartan Army was in a constant state of manpower decline almost from day one. By the time the Romans got there, the Spartan’s citizen army was pitifully small.
BasedAustralhungary on
Yeah but the Spartans (Maniots. Not Spartans I know, but they are still a very interesting ethnic group) won against the Ottoman
MasterpieceVirtual66 on
> “We are gonna lose every war we fight after 404 BC, aren’t we?”
Enough with the anti-Lakedemonian slander. They won the Foreign War, the Elean War, played a vital role in winning against the Illyrian Invasion of Epirus and most importantly defeated Pyrrhus in his Invasion of the Peloponnese.
As for victories in battles after 404 BC, there are many to choose from: Coronea, Dyme, Mantinea, Mount Lycaeum, Nemea, Piraeus and the aforementioned Siege of Sparta by Pyrrhus.
frackingfaxer on
And yet it was two Athenian Spartaphiles (Socrates and Plato) who founded Western philosophy.
No-Purple2350 on
And the win was not even a win. Athens immediately recovered and was still one of the most revered cities for the next 1000+ years.
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But look on the bright side Sparta, future humanity will name their [supersoldiers](https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/SPARTAN_Program) (conceived to fight overtaxed space farmers) after you guys!
Important is too strong a word. They would remain a city for longer and would have more people living in it, but they weren’t important.
Demographics is a hell of a thing
If but never when.
Sparta won the war, but Athens got the legacy.
“Do you hear something, Alexandria?”
“Yeah Rome, as a matter of fact i do, but not too well.”
“Must have been the wind.”
Sparta’s own system shot them in the foot so badly. All of their landowners had to spend almost all of their early lives in the agoge, and were expected to run their estates and pay for their own spot. If they were the primary estate owner (remember, women couldn’t inherit, so if something happened to the father, it would automatically go to the son regardless of age) they had to do this while being completely cut off from the outside world, cuz no one leaves the agoge. Also, your spot in the agoge is tied to your citizenship, so if you can’t pay your own way in the agoge, you are out and lose your citizenship. This also means that since citizenship is hereditary, your descendants lose their citizenship, so the Spartan Army was in a constant state of manpower decline almost from day one. By the time the Romans got there, the Spartan’s citizen army was pitifully small.
Yeah but the Spartans (Maniots. Not Spartans I know, but they are still a very interesting ethnic group) won against the Ottoman
> “We are gonna lose every war we fight after 404 BC, aren’t we?”
Enough with the anti-Lakedemonian slander. They won the Foreign War, the Elean War, played a vital role in winning against the Illyrian Invasion of Epirus and most importantly defeated Pyrrhus in his Invasion of the Peloponnese.
As for victories in battles after 404 BC, there are many to choose from: Coronea, Dyme, Mantinea, Mount Lycaeum, Nemea, Piraeus and the aforementioned Siege of Sparta by Pyrrhus.
And yet it was two Athenian Spartaphiles (Socrates and Plato) who founded Western philosophy.
And the win was not even a win. Athens immediately recovered and was still one of the most revered cities for the next 1000+ years.