Yeah this guy might be someone who owns a restaurant or diner and doesn’t even pay minimum wage to his staff
hilvon1984 on
Hot take: why don’t employers just increase the price by that 15-25% and use this extra revenue to pay the employees better?
UseMoreHops on
Misplaced anger. No one tips here where I live and everything works just fine. We also dont have mass shootings so maybe the two are related.
llamaguy88 on
So I learned to cook a wider array of dishes and don’t go out.
Flavious27 on
Sounds like a restaurant owner or someone that works at a cash only bar / restaurant.
Ok_Seaworthiness9184 on
Well a tip is something you give when you are satisfied whit the service. If I don’t like that I don’t want to tip and generally I will not return. Forcing a tip is kind of meaningless in terms of employee status cuz if your not geting tips your doing something wrong and that hurts the establishment in the long run
xl129 on
“Knowing the unfair compensation their server get paid”
No i don’t know and i don’t give a shit, i’m here to buy a meal.
tomato_is_a_fruit on
The dude is right though, not tipping is socially considered rude. Should it be that way? God no. But 1 person not tipping isn’t changing the system, it’s just being an ass.
If you want to change the system (which we should) you need to get the majority of people to simultaneously stop tipping. That is close to impossible. We can barely get people to protest a dictator.
The far more likely to function and effective method to change the current system is legislation. This is also difficult, but is actually feasible if we can get a couple politicians to push for it.
Unfortunately, neither option is very likely and that’s why I simply just don’t go to restaurants very often.
xl129 on
It’s never a problem with restaurant owners. The servers themselves prefer the current system since they get more money (also paying less tax from under declaring cash tips)
The owner just play along since they get to keep their food price low.
CombustiblSquid on
And I’ll happily be part of changing that norm. I particularly love the “well then don’t go out to eat” responses. Ok…
No-Giraffe-8096 on
I was a server for over a decade. Can we please stop with this “poor servers” thing, talking about what shit their wages are? It’s not true. I’ve made anywhere from 2.13 to 5 per hour in hourly wages. Most shifts, excluding my wage, I averaged 40 an hour, and that was over 15 years ago. Minimum wage for servers in my state is currently 13 an hour. There’s a reason most servers are vehemently against decent base wages with no gratuity added. They make a hell of a lot more money in tips.
Veganmisprint on
Y’all blame the employee and don’t do shit to help.
Sad_Variety_5063 on
America really said “your paycheck is my problem”
Rusty1954Too on
In Australia it is not customary to tip service staff. All staff are paid a proper wage with relevant entitlements. I don’t know exactly how much it is without researching it but roughly about $30 an hour. So one would expect that the cost of the staff is built in to the pricing structure.
In America it is required that service staff are given a tip. They are paid what they call ‘minimum wage’. So conversely the actual menu price or whatever the service is would be much cheaper.
So broadly speaking when you add the tip to the lower price in a low wage environment the cost should be much the same as the higher price in a higher wage environment. It all evens out. The difference will be found in the quality of the service where better service attracts higher tips.
Hello Americans, you might need to explain to us foreigners that the system there is a bit different when you are serving newly arrived visitors.
Sqwoopy on
I work at a bar in Australia
A lot of our customers are older people or tourists who like to just sit down and lounge about with a beer or wine. We rarely get tips, and usually it could range anywhere from 20 cents (“keep the change”) to $20 (maybe if we had a conversation and kept them company). I started only a few months ago, and I was told that customers only started tipping recently. I’ve never had to pay bills or anything solely off tips, because my paycheck is enough.
Usually if someone tips $20, i treat myself to a burger or bottle of wine on the way home. No one here expects tips at all, because we’re all paid decently well as minimum-wage employees
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Yeah this guy might be someone who owns a restaurant or diner and doesn’t even pay minimum wage to his staff
Hot take: why don’t employers just increase the price by that 15-25% and use this extra revenue to pay the employees better?
Misplaced anger. No one tips here where I live and everything works just fine. We also dont have mass shootings so maybe the two are related.
So I learned to cook a wider array of dishes and don’t go out.
Sounds like a restaurant owner or someone that works at a cash only bar / restaurant.
Well a tip is something you give when you are satisfied whit the service. If I don’t like that I don’t want to tip and generally I will not return. Forcing a tip is kind of meaningless in terms of employee status cuz if your not geting tips your doing something wrong and that hurts the establishment in the long run
“Knowing the unfair compensation their server get paid”
No i don’t know and i don’t give a shit, i’m here to buy a meal.
The dude is right though, not tipping is socially considered rude. Should it be that way? God no. But 1 person not tipping isn’t changing the system, it’s just being an ass.
If you want to change the system (which we should) you need to get the majority of people to simultaneously stop tipping. That is close to impossible. We can barely get people to protest a dictator.
The far more likely to function and effective method to change the current system is legislation. This is also difficult, but is actually feasible if we can get a couple politicians to push for it.
Unfortunately, neither option is very likely and that’s why I simply just don’t go to restaurants very often.
It’s never a problem with restaurant owners. The servers themselves prefer the current system since they get more money (also paying less tax from under declaring cash tips)
The owner just play along since they get to keep their food price low.
And I’ll happily be part of changing that norm. I particularly love the “well then don’t go out to eat” responses. Ok…
I was a server for over a decade. Can we please stop with this “poor servers” thing, talking about what shit their wages are? It’s not true. I’ve made anywhere from 2.13 to 5 per hour in hourly wages. Most shifts, excluding my wage, I averaged 40 an hour, and that was over 15 years ago. Minimum wage for servers in my state is currently 13 an hour. There’s a reason most servers are vehemently against decent base wages with no gratuity added. They make a hell of a lot more money in tips.
Y’all blame the employee and don’t do shit to help.
America really said “your paycheck is my problem”
In Australia it is not customary to tip service staff. All staff are paid a proper wage with relevant entitlements. I don’t know exactly how much it is without researching it but roughly about $30 an hour. So one would expect that the cost of the staff is built in to the pricing structure.
In America it is required that service staff are given a tip. They are paid what they call ‘minimum wage’. So conversely the actual menu price or whatever the service is would be much cheaper.
So broadly speaking when you add the tip to the lower price in a low wage environment the cost should be much the same as the higher price in a higher wage environment. It all evens out. The difference will be found in the quality of the service where better service attracts higher tips.
Hello Americans, you might need to explain to us foreigners that the system there is a bit different when you are serving newly arrived visitors.
I work at a bar in Australia
A lot of our customers are older people or tourists who like to just sit down and lounge about with a beer or wine. We rarely get tips, and usually it could range anywhere from 20 cents (“keep the change”) to $20 (maybe if we had a conversation and kept them company). I started only a few months ago, and I was told that customers only started tipping recently. I’ve never had to pay bills or anything solely off tips, because my paycheck is enough.
Usually if someone tips $20, i treat myself to a burger or bottle of wine on the way home. No one here expects tips at all, because we’re all paid decently well as minimum-wage employees