The whole thing necessitates conquest, at best you are running a civilization spanning protection racket.
Single-Internet-9954 on
no one fucking tries to argue they were not bad.
Gigantopithecus1453 on
Cyrus the great would like a word
AltForObvious1177 on
You’re only evil after you lose.
Queasy_Manager_5275 on
yeah but according to the people making the books Europeans are the only civilized ones
SopwithTurtle on
Would you say it’s an empirical rule?
zig_zag-wanderer on
It’s pretty quaint that redditors think 90% of Western imperial history wasn’t mostly dominated by unrestrained adulatory colonial chauvinism
Ask a 19th century European what they thought about Turks and you will be *begging* for a Reddit socialist to talk to
jacobningen on
Achaemenids?
BasedAustralhungary on
Yet people seems to need to justify the later again and again to the point of becoming a personal issue.
I’m Spaniard and the amount of people that cries about the Black Legend and stuff is so annoying that they create an irony, a Pink Legend that devoured the former.
Dominarion on
The huge difference is this. The mongols didn’t go around pretending they were bringing civilization and ethics to savages. Neither the Aztecs. The Ottomans did, but they also thought they were Romans.
Also a counterpoint. Asoka took an evil empire, openly evil, and created a good polity devoted to humankind.
SatynMalanaphy on
Scale. The difference is in the scale. Hopefully that helps. ✌🏻
Aromatic-Economy-261 on
I like Empires ( Head of state is Emperor and is a bit large), not Empires ( Bent on genocides and war crimes)
mrdimeguy on
All nations have done evil things I think It’s unfair to say that all Empires are inherently bad, as they have also brought plenty of good throughout history through their accomplishments. Some Empires have done more good than bad while others have done way more bad than good
It also very much matters on the scale rather than being an Empire itself. The Dutch Republic also did plenty of evil things due to It’s strength, same with Venice
It also depends on the time, many Empires have had times of peace and prosperity, and other times, did brutal conquests and genocides
Trialbyfuego on
The Europeans were the latest and their legacy is ongoing. I think that’s what people focus on.
AspiringAuthor99 on
Not just empires, government period. You can have smaller local government and keep it pretty humble literally and metaphorically, at least for a time. But given time or more power, any human entity will become corrupted and seek to acquire the ever elusive More via conspiracy, sabotage, murder, and worse. It is the literal nature of governing bodies.
Moose-Rage on
One of them is the most recent and contributed the most to how the modern world is today with lasting effects that are still being felt today.
Going “but what about the Aztecs/Mongols/Ottomans” is 9 times out of 10 *completely irrelevant.*
EchoTitanium on
And yet people glorify the people who took independance from empires and did something worse after, yeah Americans I’m talking about you.
Big_Pirate_3036 on
Nuh uh Evil Empire was actually very nice to the people they harmed
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The whole thing necessitates conquest, at best you are running a civilization spanning protection racket.
no one fucking tries to argue they were not bad.
Cyrus the great would like a word
You’re only evil after you lose.
yeah but according to the people making the books Europeans are the only civilized ones
Would you say it’s an empirical rule?
It’s pretty quaint that redditors think 90% of Western imperial history wasn’t mostly dominated by unrestrained adulatory colonial chauvinism
Ask a 19th century European what they thought about Turks and you will be *begging* for a Reddit socialist to talk to
Achaemenids?
Yet people seems to need to justify the later again and again to the point of becoming a personal issue.
I’m Spaniard and the amount of people that cries about the Black Legend and stuff is so annoying that they create an irony, a Pink Legend that devoured the former.
The huge difference is this. The mongols didn’t go around pretending they were bringing civilization and ethics to savages. Neither the Aztecs. The Ottomans did, but they also thought they were Romans.
Also a counterpoint. Asoka took an evil empire, openly evil, and created a good polity devoted to humankind.
Scale. The difference is in the scale. Hopefully that helps. ✌🏻
I like Empires ( Head of state is Emperor and is a bit large), not Empires ( Bent on genocides and war crimes)
All nations have done evil things I think It’s unfair to say that all Empires are inherently bad, as they have also brought plenty of good throughout history through their accomplishments. Some Empires have done more good than bad while others have done way more bad than good
It also very much matters on the scale rather than being an Empire itself. The Dutch Republic also did plenty of evil things due to It’s strength, same with Venice
It also depends on the time, many Empires have had times of peace and prosperity, and other times, did brutal conquests and genocides
The Europeans were the latest and their legacy is ongoing. I think that’s what people focus on.
Not just empires, government period. You can have smaller local government and keep it pretty humble literally and metaphorically, at least for a time. But given time or more power, any human entity will become corrupted and seek to acquire the ever elusive More via conspiracy, sabotage, murder, and worse. It is the literal nature of governing bodies.
One of them is the most recent and contributed the most to how the modern world is today with lasting effects that are still being felt today.
Going “but what about the Aztecs/Mongols/Ottomans” is 9 times out of 10 *completely irrelevant.*
And yet people glorify the people who took independance from empires and did something worse after, yeah Americans I’m talking about you.
Nuh uh Evil Empire was actually very nice to the people they harmed