you make less x than use, not enough, make more xs, it’s not rocket surgery.
irradihate on
The idea is to *not* be mindlessly laboring away in a cold, transactional existence in the first place. Work is just supposed to be something that happens along the way of doing more human activities, not a separate institution that rules our entire lives and perceptions of reality.
JelliusMaximus on
The beard is fabulous tho, you have to give him that.
BabySealCuddles on
**🍿👀**
Distinguished- on
It must be nice to just completely not understand Marxism. Utopia? Marx was explicitly anti utopianism. The International Workingmen’s Association was the historic break from earlier forms of Utopian Socialism in both Marxist and Anarchist directions.
Dakh3 on
Marx never said money itself should be abolished.
He said the means of production should belong to the actual producers.
Even nowadays there are societies in which every newly recruited employee gets one share of the society. If all shares belonged to workers only no matter the type of position (from technicians to directors), that’d be much more marxist than most people believe.
Dranagh on
What’s this? Redditors arguing about socialism and most of them not understanding what socialism actually is, one way or other?
Let me get my chair and popcorn!
Solid-Move-1411 on
Literally never said that
44moon on
Historically, labor coupons that were destroyed after being spent. Think of it kind of like a personal check. Off the top of my head they were used in some of the anarchist collectives of Spain that achieved a high level of communism, as well as some of the French associations in the late 19th century.
NotNonbisco on
Me omw not to read his shit because I already know it’s stupid and not worth my time
One not a utopianist that was specifically something Marx criticised. As an alternative to money at least in the short term he disucssed the usage of labour vouchers in the critique of the gothica programme
WittyLlama on
Op is jealous all he can grow are face pubes
Leafyuu_ on
Guys, I think Marx never say this…
AnxietyBad on
Bait used to at least try to not be obvious.
SolidCartographer976 on
i can exuse bashing communism but i draw the line by his great beard!
Owvipt on
Who’s the Charles Xavier looking MF?
whistleridge on
Marx was a college boy, who never worked a day in his life, telling labor how they should act. In short, a hypocrite talking out of his ass.
He was the lifelong subject of an authoritarian monarchy, who had no problems whatsoever in organizing the mass extra-judicial punishment of subjective classes of persons. In short, virulently anti-democratic.
This is why Marxism has never remotely worked in practice. The parts that function are so generalized as to be non-specific to him (eg socialized health care), and the parts that are specific to him (eg the dictatorship of the proletariat) are either so stupid no one has been dumb enough to put them into practice, or they’ve failed miserably every time it’s been tried.
He is as relevant to modern political science and economics and 1840s dental theory is to modern dentistry.
Show me someone who thinks Marx has the right idea, and I’ll show you someone who doesn’t think nearly as critically as they think they do.
/cue the brigading and downvotes
AdrianV125 on
Pov: you have no idea what Marxist though says and you make it up… Fantastic.
Question for OP. How old are you? Have you ever interacted with any marxisti literature outside of your American highschool books? You have literally zero clue what you’re talking about…
AD121219 on
He also called someone the N word for refusing to give him rent money and Marx wasn’t even paying his own maid a fair wage.
FirstConsulOfFrance on
Who’s that proud Young Hegelian heavy-drinking card carrying, Future thinking Lincoln letter inking ploretarian?
playinthenumbers369 on
I’d like to formally petition to change this sub’s name to r/neoliberalpropaganda
RetepExplainsJokes on
Abolish money? As far as I’m concerned Marx was a pioneer in economic science, with his works being pretty much the most extensive piece of research on the topic made up to that point.
Saying someone this dedicated to economics wanted to “abolish money” is rericulous. Marx is one of the most influential and early figures in the field of macro-economics.
Marx wanted to abolish ownership, but that has absolutely nothing to do with abolishig money.
Breadmaker9999 on
HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT’S MARX’S PERFECT AND AMAZING BREARD!!!
Jakitron_1999 on
Marx believed that communism would happen in a capitalist society which didn’t have a formal peasantry like Russia did, that’s why Marx didn’t talk about peasants
PepperProud6480 on
He literally explained this. Read a damn book
Chairmanwowsaywhat on
What’s wrong with his beard?
LimeGrass619 on
Yeah pretty much. All socialism and communism does is shift who decides where the money goes, which would be the government.
So according to Marx, the government knows what a farm needs more than the farmer, or what a bakery needs more than the baker, or what the factory needs more than the manager or workers.
nogardirat on
philosopher look at my big beautiful beard indeed
Ratchet96 on
Your pfp is a guy with a swastika on the helmet. Yes, it is facing the other way. But still, I don’t think you belong where this symbol originated.
IceStandard3971 on
The original “source: trust me bro”
clearly_not_an_alien on
This is why philosophy is for people with good reading comprehension
caominh200206 on
His beard is marvelous
somebadbeatscrub on
Measure if what needs to be done is done and then give then what they need baldie. Sheeet.
Stargost_ on
Did you even read his books talking about Socialism?
biinboise on
But the beard is where Starvation Santa Clause gets his power to reframe Feudalism in a way that appeals to shitty College professors and potheads.
Meet_Foot on
(1) In general, we *don’t*.
(2) Money is not primarily designed as a measure of the worth of labor. Rather, it is meant to facilitate transactions and presupposes that we already have some way to measure value.
(3) For purposes where we need to determine *value*, we measure the value of labor in labor-time, including any time it took to train. This gets around the “sO hAmBuRgEr fLiP mAkE sAMe aS DocToR?! ThEn No DoCtOrs!” “objection” (which is stupid for a bunch of reasons).
This is all pretty straightforwardly laid out, agree or not, in *Value, Price, Profit*, which is a summary of the main argument of * Capital V1*, and is only like 70 relatively small pages. Read a book.
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Maybe war communism wasnt the brightest idea
make more x than use, enoug hshit,
you make less x than use, not enough, make more xs, it’s not rocket surgery.
The idea is to *not* be mindlessly laboring away in a cold, transactional existence in the first place. Work is just supposed to be something that happens along the way of doing more human activities, not a separate institution that rules our entire lives and perceptions of reality.
The beard is fabulous tho, you have to give him that.
**🍿👀**
It must be nice to just completely not understand Marxism. Utopia? Marx was explicitly anti utopianism. The International Workingmen’s Association was the historic break from earlier forms of Utopian Socialism in both Marxist and Anarchist directions.
Marx never said money itself should be abolished.
He said the means of production should belong to the actual producers.
Even nowadays there are societies in which every newly recruited employee gets one share of the society. If all shares belonged to workers only no matter the type of position (from technicians to directors), that’d be much more marxist than most people believe.
What’s this? Redditors arguing about socialism and most of them not understanding what socialism actually is, one way or other?
Let me get my chair and popcorn!
Literally never said that
Historically, labor coupons that were destroyed after being spent. Think of it kind of like a personal check. Off the top of my head they were used in some of the anarchist collectives of Spain that achieved a high level of communism, as well as some of the French associations in the late 19th century.
Me omw not to read his shit because I already know it’s stupid and not worth my time
[https://www.deviantart.com/loki31415/art/All-Hail-Marx-and-Lennon-2333757](https://www.deviantart.com/loki31415/art/All-Hail-Marx-and-Lennon-2333757)
One not a utopianist that was specifically something Marx criticised. As an alternative to money at least in the short term he disucssed the usage of labour vouchers in the critique of the gothica programme
Op is jealous all he can grow are face pubes
Guys, I think Marx never say this…
Bait used to at least try to not be obvious.
i can exuse bashing communism but i draw the line by his great beard!
Who’s the Charles Xavier looking MF?
Marx was a college boy, who never worked a day in his life, telling labor how they should act. In short, a hypocrite talking out of his ass.
He was the lifelong subject of an authoritarian monarchy, who had no problems whatsoever in organizing the mass extra-judicial punishment of subjective classes of persons. In short, virulently anti-democratic.
This is why Marxism has never remotely worked in practice. The parts that function are so generalized as to be non-specific to him (eg socialized health care), and the parts that are specific to him (eg the dictatorship of the proletariat) are either so stupid no one has been dumb enough to put them into practice, or they’ve failed miserably every time it’s been tried.
He is as relevant to modern political science and economics and 1840s dental theory is to modern dentistry.
Show me someone who thinks Marx has the right idea, and I’ll show you someone who doesn’t think nearly as critically as they think they do.
/cue the brigading and downvotes
Pov: you have no idea what Marxist though says and you make it up… Fantastic.
Question for OP. How old are you? Have you ever interacted with any marxisti literature outside of your American highschool books? You have literally zero clue what you’re talking about…
He also called someone the N word for refusing to give him rent money and Marx wasn’t even paying his own maid a fair wage.
Who’s that proud Young Hegelian heavy-drinking card carrying, Future thinking Lincoln letter inking ploretarian?
I’d like to formally petition to change this sub’s name to r/neoliberalpropaganda
Abolish money? As far as I’m concerned Marx was a pioneer in economic science, with his works being pretty much the most extensive piece of research on the topic made up to that point.
Saying someone this dedicated to economics wanted to “abolish money” is rericulous. Marx is one of the most influential and early figures in the field of macro-economics.
Marx wanted to abolish ownership, but that has absolutely nothing to do with abolishig money.
HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT’S MARX’S PERFECT AND AMAZING BREARD!!!
Marx believed that communism would happen in a capitalist society which didn’t have a formal peasantry like Russia did, that’s why Marx didn’t talk about peasants
He literally explained this. Read a damn book
What’s wrong with his beard?
Yeah pretty much. All socialism and communism does is shift who decides where the money goes, which would be the government.
So according to Marx, the government knows what a farm needs more than the farmer, or what a bakery needs more than the baker, or what the factory needs more than the manager or workers.
philosopher look at my big beautiful beard indeed
Your pfp is a guy with a swastika on the helmet. Yes, it is facing the other way. But still, I don’t think you belong where this symbol originated.
The original “source: trust me bro”
This is why philosophy is for people with good reading comprehension
His beard is marvelous
Measure if what needs to be done is done and then give then what they need baldie. Sheeet.
Did you even read his books talking about Socialism?
But the beard is where Starvation Santa Clause gets his power to reframe Feudalism in a way that appeals to shitty College professors and potheads.
(1) In general, we *don’t*.
(2) Money is not primarily designed as a measure of the worth of labor. Rather, it is meant to facilitate transactions and presupposes that we already have some way to measure value.
(3) For purposes where we need to determine *value*, we measure the value of labor in labor-time, including any time it took to train. This gets around the “sO hAmBuRgEr fLiP mAkE sAMe aS DocToR?! ThEn No DoCtOrs!” “objection” (which is stupid for a bunch of reasons).
This is all pretty straightforwardly laid out, agree or not, in *Value, Price, Profit*, which is a summary of the main argument of * Capital V1*, and is only like 70 relatively small pages. Read a book.
Marx was also known to be a huge asshole.