Me: Wow, Chaucer was such a fun character in that Knight movie. I wanna go read Canterbury Tales, see if any of those threats he made are paid off in literature!
Me when I get to that one tale: ……………………………………. oh.
fuckthefedboys on
Grant for one
DirtyBalm on
Cyrus The Great fans: “Quite the opposite, actually”
dutchhhhhh6 on
How come Jewish people were hated and blamed for problems everywhere they went? Like it wasn’t just a couple of countries, it was all of them.
Nitrocity97 on
That’s me, but instead it’s their views on native Americans.
Why teddy, why
MonoLIT_32 on
Something about lines and patterns anyways
posidon99999 on
Redditor vs nuance. It’s possible to admire an individual while also acknowledging their shortcomings and issues
Socialiststoner on
I mean…
WanderingKing on
Historical context is important for understanding that certain views were held by certain people in certain times
Historical context is NOT important when acknowledging their views were fucked up as hell
WitnessTurbulent8305 on
My favorite examples
Common Teddy roosevelt W
Unexpected Oliver Cromwell W
Emperor tyberius and caligula???
psychologiacallygrey on
Me with Buenventura Durruti
Malfuy on
Charles IV moment
ConsumingFire1689 on
This hurt when I got really into Martin Luther
Seaguard5 on
Or women.
The past has not been kind to that 50% of the human race unfortunately.
Cara_Rose1 on
Historical figures: ‘I have pioneered the arts, sciences, and the very concept of democracy.’ Also them: ‘But first, let’s talk about why I’m irrationally mad at a specific bakery.’
JustTheOneGoose22 on
I’m not defending bigotry or racism but you can’t hold historical figures, especially those in the distant past, to your own modern values and standards. We don’t do it in reverse.
Ogarrr on
Tolkien wins here – Dwarves based on medieval interpretations of Jews yet are incredibly noble, warrior people who are trusted implicitly by Men and have Nordic names because Tolkien was comparing them to Nordic heroes.
And then his letter to the Nazis about whether he was Aryan or Jewish is brilliant – ” I regret to inform you that I am not one of those immensely talented people (Jewish)”
Blade_Shot24 on
Just Jews?
therealpaterpatriae on
Hence why we try to use historical relativism. Even the few historical figures who didn’t try to kill Jews often had very regressive views or actions relative to today. Hell, a lot of people like to say the Caliphs were really kind to the Jews, but that depends on the individual caliph and even then they were still forced to pay a specific tax and often were forced to live in certain sectors of the city.
theryman on
Or for people about a century ago, their views on Eugenics and quote unquote undesirables. And probably yours too yea.
Spudnic16 on
Martin Luther
DigDootyDitch on
Yeah that’s why I had to stop reading Mein Kampf
Southern_Source_2580 on
Based
Meme_Pope on
Before /pol/
After /pol/
HumaDracobane on
Opinions about other religions, sexual liberty, female rights, etc.
Surprise, surprise! The globalism we have today and the idea of “accept everyone, since it is their life and we had nothing to do with that. Live and let others live.” was not a thing in the past.
darthmaliketh on
Kant with his views on race, though thankfully he did recant them later. Also Grant, but he retracted them too.
CalzonePie on
Everyone goes on about how dumb it is to be a single-issue supporter of something, but what about single issue haters?
I think that a little bit of racism (for someone in the far past) can be ignored if the rest of their work is really good.
Like Edgar Rice Boroughs. Immensely racist man. Tarzan’s entire core plot is Immensely racist. But the books are really fucking good and modern scifi and adventure wouldn’t be what it is without him.
The_Mad_Medico on
I get this, Im a massive fan of the accomplishments of Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and Momar Gaddafi, but their opinions on Jews are disquieting.
Unu51 on
Smash cut to Nestor Makhno shooting someone in the face because they held up “Death to Jews. Love Nestor Makhno” sign.
Gigantopithecus1453 on
Honestly, if I really like a historical figure, I’ll allow them having some opinions of the time which I disagree with. Dostoevsky was fiercely antisemitic and hated poles and catholics, but considering he was a Russian in the 1800s I don’t hold it against him much
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Europe and adjacent areas do be that way.
Napoléon fans : “I don’t have such weaknesses.”
Me: Wow, Chaucer was such a fun character in that Knight movie. I wanna go read Canterbury Tales, see if any of those threats he made are paid off in literature!
Me when I get to that one tale: ……………………………………. oh.
Grant for one
Cyrus The Great fans: “Quite the opposite, actually”
How come Jewish people were hated and blamed for problems everywhere they went? Like it wasn’t just a couple of countries, it was all of them.
That’s me, but instead it’s their views on native Americans.
Why teddy, why
Something about lines and patterns anyways
Redditor vs nuance. It’s possible to admire an individual while also acknowledging their shortcomings and issues
I mean…
Historical context is important for understanding that certain views were held by certain people in certain times
Historical context is NOT important when acknowledging their views were fucked up as hell
My favorite examples
Common Teddy roosevelt W
Unexpected Oliver Cromwell W
Emperor tyberius and caligula???
Me with Buenventura Durruti
Charles IV moment
This hurt when I got really into Martin Luther
Or women.
The past has not been kind to that 50% of the human race unfortunately.
Historical figures: ‘I have pioneered the arts, sciences, and the very concept of democracy.’ Also them: ‘But first, let’s talk about why I’m irrationally mad at a specific bakery.’
I’m not defending bigotry or racism but you can’t hold historical figures, especially those in the distant past, to your own modern values and standards. We don’t do it in reverse.
Tolkien wins here – Dwarves based on medieval interpretations of Jews yet are incredibly noble, warrior people who are trusted implicitly by Men and have Nordic names because Tolkien was comparing them to Nordic heroes.
And then his letter to the Nazis about whether he was Aryan or Jewish is brilliant – ” I regret to inform you that I am not one of those immensely talented people (Jewish)”
Just Jews?
Hence why we try to use historical relativism. Even the few historical figures who didn’t try to kill Jews often had very regressive views or actions relative to today. Hell, a lot of people like to say the Caliphs were really kind to the Jews, but that depends on the individual caliph and even then they were still forced to pay a specific tax and often were forced to live in certain sectors of the city.
Or for people about a century ago, their views on Eugenics and quote unquote undesirables. And probably yours too yea.
Martin Luther
Yeah that’s why I had to stop reading Mein Kampf
Based
Before /pol/
After /pol/
Opinions about other religions, sexual liberty, female rights, etc.
Surprise, surprise! The globalism we have today and the idea of “accept everyone, since it is their life and we had nothing to do with that. Live and let others live.” was not a thing in the past.
Kant with his views on race, though thankfully he did recant them later. Also Grant, but he retracted them too.
Everyone goes on about how dumb it is to be a single-issue supporter of something, but what about single issue haters?
I think that a little bit of racism (for someone in the far past) can be ignored if the rest of their work is really good.
Like Edgar Rice Boroughs. Immensely racist man. Tarzan’s entire core plot is Immensely racist. But the books are really fucking good and modern scifi and adventure wouldn’t be what it is without him.
I get this, Im a massive fan of the accomplishments of Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and Momar Gaddafi, but their opinions on Jews are disquieting.
Smash cut to Nestor Makhno shooting someone in the face because they held up “Death to Jews. Love Nestor Makhno” sign.
Honestly, if I really like a historical figure, I’ll allow them having some opinions of the time which I disagree with. Dostoevsky was fiercely antisemitic and hated poles and catholics, but considering he was a Russian in the 1800s I don’t hold it against him much