I honestly believe NeoCons are just behind flat earthers in terms of academic and intellectual dishonesty.
My favorite gotcha is to ask which state left the Union first and ask them to look up the vote and article of succession.
Inevitably they’ll panic and start looking up the rest of the original 9 and, yeah, they all said it.
SexThrowaway1126 on
DURING THE WHAT, MASON?
greenpill98 on
No one serious is saying he HAD to. But in the time and place the man lived, siding with one’s state, family and neighbors over some union with people governed by a congress, president and sourt that was far removed from your daily life was normal and expected thing for a man to do in the United States. Doing otherwise was cutting yourself off from your family, friends and native land. The men who turned on their states for the same of keeping the Union together and in the end ridding the US of slavery are to be commended and praised. But that doesn’t make the men who did otherwise evil.
It’s easy for people living in the modern world to condemn the dead throughout history for making decisions that we in our modern comforts and 20/20 hindsight would NEVER make. Of course, we like to reserve a great deal of compassion and understanding for ourselves and the choices WE make, because golly gee wiz things aren’t so simple these days, and we don’t know what’s going to happen in the future. But everyone who lived before us should have acted with the full and certain knowledge and morality that we have today, or they are bad people.
KonstantinePhoenix on
Lee apparently enslaved/re-enslaved blacks captured in the Gettysburg campaign…
NomadLexicon on
Also the entire state of West Virginia.
Double_Welder647 on
Lee inherited salves from his mother in the 1829 and later was the executor of his father-in-law’s estate and inherited 197 slaves at Arlington Plantation in 1857 who were supposed to be freed no later than five years after his death. He would then take a two year leave from the army to personally oversee Arlington Plantation and would drive them so hard and impose such strict punishments that his torture of slaves would appear in the New York Tribune. Lee would then later petition courts twice to extend the five year emancipation deadline once in a US court in 1858 then again in a confederate court in 1862, and both times he was told no.
Lee didn’t hate slavery. He benefited from it. He took an active part in it. He fought to protect it.
Also, Montgomery Meigs deserves a shout out for turning Lee’s Arlington Plantation into Arlington National Cemetery, making it his personal mission in life to turn Lee’s property into an ever present reminder of Lee’s treason ordering that the graves by “planted up to the very door”.
Roadhouse699 on
Alabamans protected a guy while he burned Georgia to the ground, that tracks
SuarezAndSturridge on
To be clear, I hate the guy, but the meme doesn’t really prove that rationale is impossible. Some people being more loyal to their country doesn’t mean others couldn’t possibly be more loyal to their state. I certainly wouldn’t have taken up arms against New York (my home state) if any federal government in my life so far had told me to
thequietthingsthat on
Men like Farragut and Thomas were way better at their jobs too
Pope_Neia on
Forgot all of West Virginia
Prior_Definition_116 on
Would you honestly side with trump and invade your own home state, killing thousands of your people even if your state was in the wrong? If yes, fine. But dont pull a soypog when other people dont agree.
Blade_Shot24 on
Thank you!
Someone was reading my comments and saw the apologists. It was appalling to say the least. Best believe they’d never do this in person.
Rukdug7 on
Huh, I knew about most of these but Montgomery Meigs and the Alabama Cavalry are a surprise. Nice.
JustTheOneGoose22 on
Anyone who says Lee hated slavery is a fool, a liar, or both.
BigWilly526 on
Lee did not hate Slavery
NeedsToShutUp on
Lee’s house was in DC until only about a dozen years prior to the Civil War.
A_Rogue_GAI on
My great-to-the-somethingth grandfather was with the 1st Alabama. It’s always fun to see the reactions of leeaboos when I tell them grandaddy fought for Alabama…on the Union side.
JMHSrowing on
I’m really glad that we took his house to bury Union soldiers on. It might be petty but that bastard (who wasn’t even that great a general) was so clearly amoral in his decisions.
Indeed we should remember Thomas more, he seems to me to have been the better general from Virginia as well as all around a better man (indeed a reason he isn’t remembered more is because he had no desire for self promotion). Let alone other Union generals like Meade who handedly defeated Lee
NoQuarter4617 on
Never understood that sentiment, as if slavery was a bad thing.
Eikebog on
Humanity’s punishment for eating the apple is that the americans never had a real settlement and prosecuted people after the war, leading to every one of us having to hear people argue about this godforsaken war for all eternity
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I honestly believe NeoCons are just behind flat earthers in terms of academic and intellectual dishonesty.
My favorite gotcha is to ask which state left the Union first and ask them to look up the vote and article of succession.
Inevitably they’ll panic and start looking up the rest of the original 9 and, yeah, they all said it.
DURING THE WHAT, MASON?
No one serious is saying he HAD to. But in the time and place the man lived, siding with one’s state, family and neighbors over some union with people governed by a congress, president and sourt that was far removed from your daily life was normal and expected thing for a man to do in the United States. Doing otherwise was cutting yourself off from your family, friends and native land. The men who turned on their states for the same of keeping the Union together and in the end ridding the US of slavery are to be commended and praised. But that doesn’t make the men who did otherwise evil.
It’s easy for people living in the modern world to condemn the dead throughout history for making decisions that we in our modern comforts and 20/20 hindsight would NEVER make. Of course, we like to reserve a great deal of compassion and understanding for ourselves and the choices WE make, because golly gee wiz things aren’t so simple these days, and we don’t know what’s going to happen in the future. But everyone who lived before us should have acted with the full and certain knowledge and morality that we have today, or they are bad people.
Lee apparently enslaved/re-enslaved blacks captured in the Gettysburg campaign…
Also the entire state of West Virginia.
Lee inherited salves from his mother in the 1829 and later was the executor of his father-in-law’s estate and inherited 197 slaves at Arlington Plantation in 1857 who were supposed to be freed no later than five years after his death. He would then take a two year leave from the army to personally oversee Arlington Plantation and would drive them so hard and impose such strict punishments that his torture of slaves would appear in the New York Tribune. Lee would then later petition courts twice to extend the five year emancipation deadline once in a US court in 1858 then again in a confederate court in 1862, and both times he was told no.
Lee didn’t hate slavery. He benefited from it. He took an active part in it. He fought to protect it.
Also, Montgomery Meigs deserves a shout out for turning Lee’s Arlington Plantation into Arlington National Cemetery, making it his personal mission in life to turn Lee’s property into an ever present reminder of Lee’s treason ordering that the graves by “planted up to the very door”.
Alabamans protected a guy while he burned Georgia to the ground, that tracks
To be clear, I hate the guy, but the meme doesn’t really prove that rationale is impossible. Some people being more loyal to their country doesn’t mean others couldn’t possibly be more loyal to their state. I certainly wouldn’t have taken up arms against New York (my home state) if any federal government in my life so far had told me to
Men like Farragut and Thomas were way better at their jobs too
Forgot all of West Virginia
Would you honestly side with trump and invade your own home state, killing thousands of your people even if your state was in the wrong? If yes, fine. But dont pull a soypog when other people dont agree.
Thank you!
Someone was reading my comments and saw the apologists. It was appalling to say the least. Best believe they’d never do this in person.
Huh, I knew about most of these but Montgomery Meigs and the Alabama Cavalry are a surprise. Nice.
Anyone who says Lee hated slavery is a fool, a liar, or both.
Lee did not hate Slavery
Lee’s house was in DC until only about a dozen years prior to the Civil War.
My great-to-the-somethingth grandfather was with the 1st Alabama. It’s always fun to see the reactions of leeaboos when I tell them grandaddy fought for Alabama…on the Union side.
I’m really glad that we took his house to bury Union soldiers on. It might be petty but that bastard (who wasn’t even that great a general) was so clearly amoral in his decisions.
Indeed we should remember Thomas more, he seems to me to have been the better general from Virginia as well as all around a better man (indeed a reason he isn’t remembered more is because he had no desire for self promotion). Let alone other Union generals like Meade who handedly defeated Lee
Never understood that sentiment, as if slavery was a bad thing.
Humanity’s punishment for eating the apple is that the americans never had a real settlement and prosecuted people after the war, leading to every one of us having to hear people argue about this godforsaken war for all eternity