Kind of like every time someone in Star Trek gets transported via energy beam, they die and it’s their clone on the other end.
InexplicableBadger on
The ship of Theseus is the ship Theseus is standing on shouting at people, he can replace as many parts as he wants to without affecting that.
Senjen95 on
It depends. Were the pieces removed by George Washington’s axe? After the handle is replaced three times and the head twice?
SemajLu_The_crusader on
this paradox is funny to me, because it’s pretty much the moment you change the hull that the ship changes
you can’t really change part of the hull at a time, because the original culture the question came from couldn’t really do that, so as soon as you “change out” the hull it’s a new ship
I think a foundation-less brick building would make a better comparison
Frequent_Counter_864 on
which witch said witch?
CaptainHubble on
Maybe the real ship of Theseus was the friends we made along the way
Admirable-Common-176 on
It’s not a question of materials. If Theseus is still the rightful owner then yes it is the ship of Theseus.
guillermotor on
🙁
SnoopyMcDogged on
Easy.
The answer is yes.
Gaspuch62 on
I would assume that the parts that got replaced would be worn out or damaged. Building another ship out of them would probably result in a less seaworthy ship.
TheAmazingRando1581 on
But your right
DerVarg1509 on
The Brits actually “solved” this paradox.
(Refering to WWI HMS Zulu, Nubian and Zubian)
Sheareen on
Theseus never heard about duck typing, obviously
WeebKarma on
I pretty sure the British navy actually solved this by doing this in real life
Alita-Gunnm on
Categorization is a human construct, not an aspect of reality. It will always break down at the edge cases.
AtchedAsWell on
If you think about it, all living things function like the ship of thesus.
Of all of the cells that make up my body today, very few of them existed 20 years ago. The cells that composed my entire body all slowly died off and were gradually replaced by new ones.
And yet, I am still me.
Matter is kind of transitional in this way. Today, my atoms are a part of my body. When I die, they will become part of the tiny living things that decompose my body. Then, those tiny living things will die and be eaten by the roots of plants.
Not to mention, on the time scale of the universe, the atoms that compose my body have existed for billions, if not trillions, of years. And they will continue to exist for billions or trillions if years. For one monentary, inperceiveable blip in their universal history, they happen to be part of me.
What I mean to say is that maybe the ship of thesus isnt defined by its parts, its transitional matter, but by the idea of it.
GamerKratosBalls on
You from 7 years ago was build from NONE of the cells you have know. You are build from other cells. If i made new you with old cells would you truly be the real one?
PossessedToSkate on
Is it “Ships of Theseus” or “Ship of Theseuses”?
viola_forever on
Ship of Banach Tarski
TheChannelMiner on
The answer is it becomes a new PC once Microsoft asks you to reactivate windows. If you change too many parts you lose your windows activation.
Mimcclure on
Being excited by having two of them is the best answer.
Dude just discovered how to make replaceable parts. They could just keep repeating the process and make a fleet of ships with interchangeable components. Do you have any idea what that does to the logistics and recovering ability of a naval force?
-ElBosso- on
Bro is that the Banach-Tarski Paradox!?
NotThatAngel on
I love the madness of this comic. A knife and fork? Why?!
wyldermage on
I never really understood the Ship of Theseus- The ship of Theseus is the ship that Theseus and his crew sails, the one they live and work on. As they replace parts, the ship grows and changes alongside them, just like crew members come and go. As long as Theseus still sails, it’s his ship. When he steps down and gives it away, the Ship of Theseus is no more.
blankName_2 on
Legitimately my thoughts on this are either that the ship of Theseus is a monument to the actions of Theseus supposed to make people connect to him, in which case there absolutely can be 2 ships, or the term is hyper specific and was not only a physical object carrying him but also the moment in time in which he was carried, and so never truly existed the moment he left.
I’m not a philosopher though.
narnababy on
The real ship of Theseus is the one you feel in your heart
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Kind of like every time someone in Star Trek gets transported via energy beam, they die and it’s their clone on the other end.
The ship of Theseus is the ship Theseus is standing on shouting at people, he can replace as many parts as he wants to without affecting that.
It depends. Were the pieces removed by George Washington’s axe? After the handle is replaced three times and the head twice?
this paradox is funny to me, because it’s pretty much the moment you change the hull that the ship changes
you can’t really change part of the hull at a time, because the original culture the question came from couldn’t really do that, so as soon as you “change out” the hull it’s a new ship
I think a foundation-less brick building would make a better comparison
which witch said witch?
Maybe the real ship of Theseus was the friends we made along the way
It’s not a question of materials. If Theseus is still the rightful owner then yes it is the ship of Theseus.
🙁
Easy.
The answer is yes.
I would assume that the parts that got replaced would be worn out or damaged. Building another ship out of them would probably result in a less seaworthy ship.
But your right
The Brits actually “solved” this paradox.
(Refering to WWI HMS Zulu, Nubian and Zubian)
Theseus never heard about duck typing, obviously
I pretty sure the British navy actually solved this by doing this in real life
Categorization is a human construct, not an aspect of reality. It will always break down at the edge cases.
If you think about it, all living things function like the ship of thesus.
Of all of the cells that make up my body today, very few of them existed 20 years ago. The cells that composed my entire body all slowly died off and were gradually replaced by new ones.
And yet, I am still me.
Matter is kind of transitional in this way. Today, my atoms are a part of my body. When I die, they will become part of the tiny living things that decompose my body. Then, those tiny living things will die and be eaten by the roots of plants.
Not to mention, on the time scale of the universe, the atoms that compose my body have existed for billions, if not trillions, of years. And they will continue to exist for billions or trillions if years. For one monentary, inperceiveable blip in their universal history, they happen to be part of me.
What I mean to say is that maybe the ship of thesus isnt defined by its parts, its transitional matter, but by the idea of it.
You from 7 years ago was build from NONE of the cells you have know. You are build from other cells. If i made new you with old cells would you truly be the real one?
Is it “Ships of Theseus” or “Ship of Theseuses”?
Ship of Banach Tarski
The answer is it becomes a new PC once Microsoft asks you to reactivate windows. If you change too many parts you lose your windows activation.
Being excited by having two of them is the best answer.
Dude just discovered how to make replaceable parts. They could just keep repeating the process and make a fleet of ships with interchangeable components. Do you have any idea what that does to the logistics and recovering ability of a naval force?
Bro is that the Banach-Tarski Paradox!?
I love the madness of this comic. A knife and fork? Why?!
I never really understood the Ship of Theseus- The ship of Theseus is the ship that Theseus and his crew sails, the one they live and work on. As they replace parts, the ship grows and changes alongside them, just like crew members come and go. As long as Theseus still sails, it’s his ship. When he steps down and gives it away, the Ship of Theseus is no more.
Legitimately my thoughts on this are either that the ship of Theseus is a monument to the actions of Theseus supposed to make people connect to him, in which case there absolutely can be 2 ships, or the term is hyper specific and was not only a physical object carrying him but also the moment in time in which he was carried, and so never truly existed the moment he left.
I’m not a philosopher though.
The real ship of Theseus is the one you feel in your heart