In korea IS Because no one declared peace/lost.
So The war IS still Going onze in Vietnam They never declared war on North Vietnam (for what i know) só They never Lost that war.
Wittusus on
US military vs admitting to anything
DankVectorz on
North Korea tried to conquer South Korea. They didn’t. How is that a loss?
Key-Project-4600 on
I had similar experience when some quite public Russian figures (patriarch maybe, I don’t remember) claimed that Russia never started an aggressive war.
Guardiancomplex on
By not declaring war.
GenosseAbfuck on
’twas the army that lost, duh
No_Bedroom4062 on
Korea is/was a defacto US victory.
The north invaded to conquer the south and failed. Sure taking over the north would have been nice, but thats besides the point
ICanAnswerThatFriend on
USA never loses, they either win or quit because it’s unfair.
TigerRat1 on
Raise your hand as ask you coward.
koreangorani on
I mean we(both ROK and the USA) still won for now
BagsYourMail on
The marines want you to visit their school?
GivemTheDDD on
K/D?
beefstewforyou on
Afghanistan and the War of 1812 as well.
AntiqueGunGuy on
Vietnam was the equivalent of going “tag your it, I quit”
Jellylegs_19 on
I don’t know how Afghanistan isn’t considered a loss.
TommyTaro7736 on
The Marines only die, the government loses.
Severe-Waltz1220 on
You can win every battle, but thou can lose a war without fighting a battle
jackt-up on
Korea was win.
Vietnam was a loss.
MobsterDragon275 on
Korea was absolutely not a loss. It wasn’t like WW2 where an unconditional surrender was achieved, but South Korea didn’t fall
Ice-and-Fire on
You know that there was a negotiated peace that lasted from 72-75 during which the US withdrew, and then North Vietnam violated and invaded the south, right?
WeissTek on
South Vietnam existed 2 whole years after US left.
Like left at 73, South Viet falls at 75.
So I would say we didnt lose, we left a losing fight before a lost lol.
pennyforyourpms on
Reddit likes to revise history to fit the narrative they want.
ApprehensiveWin3020 on
Because John Marine (chesty puller) made them win… Somehow
McKoijion on
Maybe neocons can try to spin Iraq because the US did capture Saddam Hussein, but the US flat out lost Afghanistan to the Taliban. The US started the longest war in American history, spent $2.3 trillion, and eventually fled the country leaving behind all the weapons and equipment. The US puppet government immediately collapsed. The Taliban ended up with more territory than they started with. And it’s not a new group of people calling themselves the Taliban either. It’s exact same individuals and their children.
mecha_shatner on
Korea isn’t technically a loss but still not a win. No execute for Vietnam tho. And there is Afghanistan as well
chladas on
Korea was win, since south korea still exists in alnmost same borders….now afghanistan i would say was even more embarasing than vietnam, since north vietnam was atleast backed by eastern bloc
Saucy_Sprite on
Technically, you can’t lose a war if you just call it a ‘police action’ or a ‘stalemate’ forever.
Xqvvzts on
“You’ve chosen your opponents wisely then.”
Realistic_Salt7109 on
I’ve always heard “they’ve never lost a battle” but never dug too much into it. A specific branch can win every battle it’s in but still have their country lose the war. Again, haven’t done research so they could be incorrect about that too.
Firecracker048 on
I mean, the goal in Korea was to stop NK. They did.
Vietnam didn’t fall until America was completely out.
Whythehellnot225343 on
I mean it doesn’t say a war. Just says lost. As in they haven’t lost any snack crayons
gothfangsx on
Marines got beat by rice farmers and sheepherders, no matter how much they indocrinate the masses these 2 facts will never change
soothed-ape on
Korea they gained more land than they lost,and bear in mind American forces entered after south korea was almost completely conquered. Vietnam is a good example of a loss, korea not at all…
bindingofandrew on
Americans don’t like it when you point out our military record since WW2. We’re still in the denial stage.
Arthour148 on
I would be willing to say that Korea was a stalemate. But the United States military won every engagement they were in in Vietnam, or if they lose, it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Vietnamese.
asmallercat on
The US has won 1 war since 1960 lmao.
Deltasims on
Tactical and strategic defeat aren’t the same thing
Lifesconfusion13 on
Vietnam is interesting. The US left and had a “bullet for bullet” deal with S Vietnam for 2 years til they actually fell. Technically it was politicians who lost South Vietnam to the NVA. The US was 2 years gone while the south held on its own.
Korea… I mean yeah I’d call it a win. 52 million people live in one of the most free, wealthy nations in the world with good standards of living when they could instead be one giant Korea living like North Korea in absolute shit living conditions under an authoritarian regime. Id say thats not a loss for the people of S Korea.
Now the war of 1812…. thats a different story lol.
-Trooper5745- on
Is Vietnam and Korea the Marines losing or the U.S. losing (though few if any would count Korea as a loss)?
Newtbros on
Vietnam can definitely be a case made in favor of the Marine Corps, even if the US lost. Look up the Combined Action Program. There’s also a really good book written by Bing West called The Village.
I’m oversimplifying since I’m on the phone, but 12 Marines and a Corpsman are stationed in 173 villages alongside 20 local militia men. So long as the program was active, no village in the program flipped to VC alignment.
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In korea IS Because no one declared peace/lost.
So The war IS still Going onze in Vietnam They never declared war on North Vietnam (for what i know) só They never Lost that war.
US military vs admitting to anything
North Korea tried to conquer South Korea. They didn’t. How is that a loss?
I had similar experience when some quite public Russian figures (patriarch maybe, I don’t remember) claimed that Russia never started an aggressive war.
By not declaring war.
’twas the army that lost, duh
Korea is/was a defacto US victory.
The north invaded to conquer the south and failed. Sure taking over the north would have been nice, but thats besides the point
USA never loses, they either win or quit because it’s unfair.
Raise your hand as ask you coward.
I mean we(both ROK and the USA) still won for now
The marines want you to visit their school?
K/D?
Afghanistan and the War of 1812 as well.
Vietnam was the equivalent of going “tag your it, I quit”
I don’t know how Afghanistan isn’t considered a loss.
The Marines only die, the government loses.
You can win every battle, but thou can lose a war without fighting a battle
Korea was win.
Vietnam was a loss.
Korea was absolutely not a loss. It wasn’t like WW2 where an unconditional surrender was achieved, but South Korea didn’t fall
You know that there was a negotiated peace that lasted from 72-75 during which the US withdrew, and then North Vietnam violated and invaded the south, right?
South Vietnam existed 2 whole years after US left.
Like left at 73, South Viet falls at 75.
So I would say we didnt lose, we left a losing fight before a lost lol.
Reddit likes to revise history to fit the narrative they want.
Because John Marine (chesty puller) made them win… Somehow
Maybe neocons can try to spin Iraq because the US did capture Saddam Hussein, but the US flat out lost Afghanistan to the Taliban. The US started the longest war in American history, spent $2.3 trillion, and eventually fled the country leaving behind all the weapons and equipment. The US puppet government immediately collapsed. The Taliban ended up with more territory than they started with. And it’s not a new group of people calling themselves the Taliban either. It’s exact same individuals and their children.
Korea isn’t technically a loss but still not a win. No execute for Vietnam tho. And there is Afghanistan as well
Korea was win, since south korea still exists in alnmost same borders….now afghanistan i would say was even more embarasing than vietnam, since north vietnam was atleast backed by eastern bloc
Technically, you can’t lose a war if you just call it a ‘police action’ or a ‘stalemate’ forever.
“You’ve chosen your opponents wisely then.”
I’ve always heard “they’ve never lost a battle” but never dug too much into it. A specific branch can win every battle it’s in but still have their country lose the war. Again, haven’t done research so they could be incorrect about that too.
I mean, the goal in Korea was to stop NK. They did.
Vietnam didn’t fall until America was completely out.
I mean it doesn’t say a war. Just says lost. As in they haven’t lost any snack crayons
Marines got beat by rice farmers and sheepherders, no matter how much they indocrinate the masses these 2 facts will never change
Korea they gained more land than they lost,and bear in mind American forces entered after south korea was almost completely conquered. Vietnam is a good example of a loss, korea not at all…
Americans don’t like it when you point out our military record since WW2. We’re still in the denial stage.
I would be willing to say that Korea was a stalemate. But the United States military won every engagement they were in in Vietnam, or if they lose, it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Vietnamese.
The US has won 1 war since 1960 lmao.
Tactical and strategic defeat aren’t the same thing
Vietnam is interesting. The US left and had a “bullet for bullet” deal with S Vietnam for 2 years til they actually fell. Technically it was politicians who lost South Vietnam to the NVA. The US was 2 years gone while the south held on its own.
Korea… I mean yeah I’d call it a win. 52 million people live in one of the most free, wealthy nations in the world with good standards of living when they could instead be one giant Korea living like North Korea in absolute shit living conditions under an authoritarian regime. Id say thats not a loss for the people of S Korea.
Now the war of 1812…. thats a different story lol.
Is Vietnam and Korea the Marines losing or the U.S. losing (though few if any would count Korea as a loss)?
Vietnam can definitely be a case made in favor of the Marine Corps, even if the US lost. Look up the Combined Action Program. There’s also a really good book written by Bing West called The Village.
I’m oversimplifying since I’m on the phone, but 12 Marines and a Corpsman are stationed in 173 villages alongside 20 local militia men. So long as the program was active, no village in the program flipped to VC alignment.
“Well you see…”