This. They keep saying there’s no money for housing, but magically find billions for detention centers. It’s all about priorities.
golfwinnersplz on
They pay ICE more than our teachers and nurses.Â
Responsible-Sundae20 on
But bootstraps and bullshit!!
Yep. We could take provide citizenry with needed resources in exchange for taxes, but that would require recognizing that it’s not actually their fault that they’re in that position.
10000Didgeridoos on
Similar to how we have the money for universal healthcare but choose not to do it. This would also require a large increase in medical school and residency capacities to supply enough docs to take on the increased patient count but that is beside the point. We probably could also afford that with different priorities.
Darksnark_The_Unwise on
I agree with the sentiment but wish for slightly different wording.
These empty warehouses are being utilized by the Trump administration *specifically for their LACK of human accomodations,* so I’d rather folks not oversimplify the amount of human rights we could easily wrong in our hypotheticals.
Yes we want housing and schools and community centers, but *we want it with adequate plumbing , heat, electricity, fire code, ect.*
I realize my argument is useless *right now.* I don’t deny it. Right now, nobody’s promising the thing that OOP is suggesting.
But if or when a politician DOES make that promise, those human accomodations will need to be met in order for that promise to bear fruit. *History shows that logistically fucking these community projects is just as effective at shutting them down as propaganda opposing it.* Oversight and awareness will be needed just as much as public support.
Fuck ICE, fuck Trump, fuck capital interest, and fuck government corruption if anyone misunderstood where I stand on those things.
KhabaLox on
To be fair, it’s not like the detention warehouses are being converted to actual livable spaces.
ice-eight on
They kind of can’t convert them though. One of the main reasons many town have been pushing back on plans to convert warehouses into concentration camps is because they were not built with adequate water and sewer lines to house that many people. Which means that the DHS either never considered that, or more likely, never intended to provide detainees with access to showers, drinking water or adequate toilets
Crafty-Isopod45 on
I think you are confused. Those funds were clearly earmarked for hurting people. You can’t just move hurting people money over to helping people. That would be a misappropriation of funds and totally unconstitutional. We checked with the Supreme Court and they voted 6-3 that only hurting people was allowed.
Low_Brass_Rumble on
I get the sentiment, but… the premise of “just make warehouses into apartments” is kind of intrinsically flawed.
Smart people who are legitimately trying to do good have been discussing the feasability of retrofitting obsolete infrastructure (e.g., office buildings, malls, warehouses) for habitation for years, and the consistent answer has been “this would be tremendously complicated and ludicrously expensive.” Raising a space to the level of human habitability has significantly more requirements than you realize:
* proper heating/cooling and insulation
* expanded electrical wiring for outlets
* free airflow and potentially expanded ductwork
* sewage/plumbing for toilets and sinks
* requisite outdoor windows for a space to be considered liveable
* emergency accessibility both in and out of the building
* fire prevention measures like retardants and fire doors
And that’s not even considering the potential impacts of a retrofitted building on maintenance costs and the near-guaranteed inefficiency (and subsequent increased price) of utilities compared to traditional apartment buildings. There’s potentially more merit to retrofitting into nonresidential spaces like libraries and community centers, but even in those cases, many of the logistical and cost problems remain. In the vast majority of cases, it would be far safer, more cost efficient, and quicker to knock the building down and start over from scratch than to retrofit. Which I’m certainly not opposed to, but it kind of defeats the big ecological draw of reusing space and resources that makes retrofitting seem attractive in the first place.
Cheeto Benito’s warehouse oubliettes make zero attempt to adhere to any of the aforementioned requirements that people would normally be entitled to, so of course they did so quickly and cheaply.
Spear_Ritual on
There is money for cruelty towards those they don’t like. But none to help people.
THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!
/s
Particular-Ad9304 on
We have all the money and resources to take care of people, they just don’t do it. ICE gets paid better than teachers, that should be the first clue for you.
Prize_Ostrich7605 on
Sure, sure. He is racking up several trillion dollars of debt, so maybe.
Belovedoasis on
The difference is that concentration camps do not have to pass regulations for any ethical or safety requirements.
Kaleria84 on
Oh you’re 100% thinking these are actually being converted into decent facilities. They’re just putting up steel dog cages with concentration camp style prison beds and porta potty bathrooms.
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This. They keep saying there’s no money for housing, but magically find billions for detention centers. It’s all about priorities.
They pay ICE more than our teachers and nurses.Â
But bootstraps and bullshit!!
Yep. We could take provide citizenry with needed resources in exchange for taxes, but that would require recognizing that it’s not actually their fault that they’re in that position.
Similar to how we have the money for universal healthcare but choose not to do it. This would also require a large increase in medical school and residency capacities to supply enough docs to take on the increased patient count but that is beside the point. We probably could also afford that with different priorities.
I agree with the sentiment but wish for slightly different wording.
These empty warehouses are being utilized by the Trump administration *specifically for their LACK of human accomodations,* so I’d rather folks not oversimplify the amount of human rights we could easily wrong in our hypotheticals.
Yes we want housing and schools and community centers, but *we want it with adequate plumbing , heat, electricity, fire code, ect.*
I realize my argument is useless *right now.* I don’t deny it. Right now, nobody’s promising the thing that OOP is suggesting.
But if or when a politician DOES make that promise, those human accomodations will need to be met in order for that promise to bear fruit. *History shows that logistically fucking these community projects is just as effective at shutting them down as propaganda opposing it.* Oversight and awareness will be needed just as much as public support.
Fuck ICE, fuck Trump, fuck capital interest, and fuck government corruption if anyone misunderstood where I stand on those things.
To be fair, it’s not like the detention warehouses are being converted to actual livable spaces.
They kind of can’t convert them though. One of the main reasons many town have been pushing back on plans to convert warehouses into concentration camps is because they were not built with adequate water and sewer lines to house that many people. Which means that the DHS either never considered that, or more likely, never intended to provide detainees with access to showers, drinking water or adequate toilets
I think you are confused. Those funds were clearly earmarked for hurting people. You can’t just move hurting people money over to helping people. That would be a misappropriation of funds and totally unconstitutional. We checked with the Supreme Court and they voted 6-3 that only hurting people was allowed.
I get the sentiment, but… the premise of “just make warehouses into apartments” is kind of intrinsically flawed.
Smart people who are legitimately trying to do good have been discussing the feasability of retrofitting obsolete infrastructure (e.g., office buildings, malls, warehouses) for habitation for years, and the consistent answer has been “this would be tremendously complicated and ludicrously expensive.” Raising a space to the level of human habitability has significantly more requirements than you realize:
* proper heating/cooling and insulation
* expanded electrical wiring for outlets
* free airflow and potentially expanded ductwork
* sewage/plumbing for toilets and sinks
* requisite outdoor windows for a space to be considered liveable
* emergency accessibility both in and out of the building
* fire prevention measures like retardants and fire doors
And that’s not even considering the potential impacts of a retrofitted building on maintenance costs and the near-guaranteed inefficiency (and subsequent increased price) of utilities compared to traditional apartment buildings. There’s potentially more merit to retrofitting into nonresidential spaces like libraries and community centers, but even in those cases, many of the logistical and cost problems remain. In the vast majority of cases, it would be far safer, more cost efficient, and quicker to knock the building down and start over from scratch than to retrofit. Which I’m certainly not opposed to, but it kind of defeats the big ecological draw of reusing space and resources that makes retrofitting seem attractive in the first place.
Cheeto Benito’s warehouse oubliettes make zero attempt to adhere to any of the aforementioned requirements that people would normally be entitled to, so of course they did so quickly and cheaply.
There is money for cruelty towards those they don’t like. But none to help people.
THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!
/s
We have all the money and resources to take care of people, they just don’t do it. ICE gets paid better than teachers, that should be the first clue for you.
Sure, sure. He is racking up several trillion dollars of debt, so maybe.
The difference is that concentration camps do not have to pass regulations for any ethical or safety requirements.
Oh you’re 100% thinking these are actually being converted into decent facilities. They’re just putting up steel dog cages with concentration camp style prison beds and porta potty bathrooms.