It was even stigmatized if it was known that you had been Ona the receiving end of a pederastic relationship. It something people would spread as a rumour about you, if they were trying to blacken you name. We know that this was most likely the case with emperor Titus. Principus writes about him having been raped by the king of LydÃa (I think? Correct menofnim wrong.) and that he was view as less of a man for it. Same thing with homosexually. It would be view as shameful if you were perceived as the passive part in a homosexual relationship.
Corvid187 on
This is just as overly sweeping and reductive as those saying that ancient Greece was a homosexual idyl.
The requirement for a social hierarchy to exist between the participants did mean that some relationships were formed on power imbalances we would now consider immoral or inherently non-consensual, but equally these were not the only forms of homosexual relationships or idolised male forms present in these societies either.
GustavoistSoldier on
Some tribal societies did tolerate consensual same-sex relationships.
treebird_97 on
Saying degenerative behavior is evil will always make you an enemy to those that want their fucked up behavior to be normal.
VinChaJon on
Also the Ottoman’s. I’m like 90% sure Radu the Handsome didn’t consent
CNK_98 on
“Greece invented homosexuality”
No, they invented pedophilia
Stardustchaser on
Grammar is awful
outofcontextsex on
Hmmm all I read was the Greeks didn’t like fucking boys, they liked fucking boys.
stmfunk on
I think it was a bit more nuanced than that no?
sevenliesseventruths on
The word “consent” was invented in the west on the 80s, before that, it didn’t exist. Ask your grandma if her marriage was consensual.
Common_economics_420 on
Reminder that applying modern views on basically anything doesn’t work when analyzing societies that existed 2000 years ago. Shocking, I know.
UrbanLumberjackGA on
The Roman’s were horrifying. Poor Sporous. A teen boy, castrated and used by Nero as his play thing. Committed suicide before he could be raped to death on stage by another emperor after Nero’s death.
bubblecrab42 on
I like how everybody in the past was like “woah, dude got fucked up the ass! Get a load of this f**!” all while at the same time being like “woah, dude gets hard looking at man ass and fucks it!, what a cool dude. He’s super straight”
TheRealKhorrn on
That is the same kind of over-simplification, but the other way round. One could bring up the Sacred Band of Thebes or Alexander and Hephaestion. Sexuality in antiquity is a bit more complex than just saying they liked or not liked it. Modern terms and concepts don’t apply in full. Still, it is still correct that there was also rape etc.
Anzire on
I am once again reminded of that one video of boys shaking it somewhere in west or south asia and the comments saying “In this practice those boys will be rape by the men watching later on”
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*LGTV4KHD+ community punching the air right now*
What does this even mean? What are you saying?
It was even stigmatized if it was known that you had been Ona the receiving end of a pederastic relationship. It something people would spread as a rumour about you, if they were trying to blacken you name. We know that this was most likely the case with emperor Titus. Principus writes about him having been raped by the king of LydÃa (I think? Correct menofnim wrong.) and that he was view as less of a man for it. Same thing with homosexually. It would be view as shameful if you were perceived as the passive part in a homosexual relationship.
This is just as overly sweeping and reductive as those saying that ancient Greece was a homosexual idyl.
The requirement for a social hierarchy to exist between the participants did mean that some relationships were formed on power imbalances we would now consider immoral or inherently non-consensual, but equally these were not the only forms of homosexual relationships or idolised male forms present in these societies either.
Some tribal societies did tolerate consensual same-sex relationships.
Saying degenerative behavior is evil will always make you an enemy to those that want their fucked up behavior to be normal.
Also the Ottoman’s. I’m like 90% sure Radu the Handsome didn’t consent
“Greece invented homosexuality”
No, they invented pedophilia
Grammar is awful
Hmmm all I read was the Greeks didn’t like fucking boys, they liked fucking boys.
I think it was a bit more nuanced than that no?
The word “consent” was invented in the west on the 80s, before that, it didn’t exist. Ask your grandma if her marriage was consensual.
Reminder that applying modern views on basically anything doesn’t work when analyzing societies that existed 2000 years ago. Shocking, I know.
The Roman’s were horrifying. Poor Sporous. A teen boy, castrated and used by Nero as his play thing. Committed suicide before he could be raped to death on stage by another emperor after Nero’s death.
I like how everybody in the past was like “woah, dude got fucked up the ass! Get a load of this f**!” all while at the same time being like “woah, dude gets hard looking at man ass and fucks it!, what a cool dude. He’s super straight”
That is the same kind of over-simplification, but the other way round. One could bring up the Sacred Band of Thebes or Alexander and Hephaestion. Sexuality in antiquity is a bit more complex than just saying they liked or not liked it. Modern terms and concepts don’t apply in full. Still, it is still correct that there was also rape etc.
I am once again reminded of that one video of boys shaking it somewhere in west or south asia and the comments saying “In this practice those boys will be rape by the men watching later on”