Armenians were rounded up and massacred or driven off
on death marches, the US consul in Trebizond, Oscar Heizer, reported:
“A crowd of Turkish women and children follow the police about like a lot of vultures
and seize anything they can lay their hands on and when the more valuable things
are carried out of the house by the police they rush in and take the balance. I see this
performance every day with my own eyes”
_MrSeb on
Me when Rwandan genocide
PansotoXPanissa on
“It did not happen and if it did, they deserved it” moment
Creepy_Jeweler_1351 on
I bet it will be easier to count those whithout civilian support. Genoside isnt’t easy to commit thing. It requires a lot off effort, resources and engagement. Usually you won’t get all this things without wide civilian support
frozen-sun-Phoenix on
1. That didn’t happen.
2. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
3. And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
4. And if it is, that’s not my fault.
5. And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
6. And if I did, you deserved it.
the_eddga on
Communist takeovers be like
GareththeJackal on
Rwanda comes to mind. Absolute horror.
Splinterfight on
Probably more commonly done by civilians encouraged by the government or off their own back. Soldiers don’t sign up for that and it’s a worse look for the government too
JackWhoWanders on
I think you’re looking at it wrong. Most genocides are whole heartedly supported by the people conducting the genocide, simply because of how encompassing it is. If the majority of civilians in the new West or Germany hadn’t thought killing Indigineous peoples or Jews, then it wouldn’t have been feasible. People would have sheltered those hunted, they’d have fought against the troops. The reason you’re seeing organised action against ICE now is that people in places like Chichago do not support the current genocide being conducted under the Trump regime and are actively fighting it, and that is why it will fail.
What’s more fascinating is the sheer amount of Genocides conducted that outside communities either actively supported or tacitly accepted.
BasedAustralhungary on
The most dismal fact of the Holocaust is that a lot of German people know what was happened and just continued with their lifes, they saw how they were prosecuting Jews and sending them in trains that wouldn’t ever come back and they ignored it, people living in towns near Concentration Camps knew perfectly what was happening and ignored it. People claim to say that they didn’t know, and while British and American administration decided that had to be true the French refused to accept that bullshit.
At the end, the French occupation of Germany after the war was the one that de-nazified the best because of that, because they decided to say what other allies were refusing to say: they had to be accountable of their passivity and complicity. The people that resisted was imprisoned and sent to this same camps, they know that this was something that was not information hidden to the German commoner. They had it clear and I respect it, because even If I despise the French for other stuff we have to accept that no one know how to deal with the tyranny like them.
When a genocide happens there are no civilian inocents, there are just complicit people through passivity and they have to remind them what happens when you don’t raise your fist against the injustice when you have to.
Looser17 on
Reminds me of a Painter.
Ryubalaur on
Like the current genocide in Gaza
Generous_Simp on
Indonesia communists genocide
Zrva_V3 on
Because genocides did not happen in a vaccum. While in no way a justification, they mostly happened between populations that had bad blood between one another, often including mutual killings etc. Holocaust is rare in a way because there was no active conflict between the Jews and the Germans.
Accelerator231 on
Reminds me of the time when germany siege paris. The military wasn’t very enthusiastic. The civilians were *very* enthusiastic
Realistic-Safety-565 on
These are pretty unrelated terms.
If anything, the underlying bias associating genocides with militaries is what should be examined. Not every genocide by far is a war crime, and not every war crime is commited by military.
FemRevan64 on
Reminds me of a lecture on YouTube where the professor calls out the attitude of “I would’ve taken a stand” that almost every student has about Nazi Germany, and how authentic maturity and self-awareness is being able to admit to the possibility that you may have gone along with it.
It’s a nice thought to have, that had we been born in that era we would’ve had the courage to stand up; just like I’m fairly sure that most of the people in the world who have ever been caught in the middle of a public robbery (bank, convenience store, etc.) likely had the fantasy at least once of foiling a robbery in progress.
To put it another way, Yad Vashem records about 28,000 “Righteous Among the Nations” – European civilians who tried to stop the Nazi killing process. The population of Europe at that time was over 500,000,000, meaning only around 0.006 percent of the populace were truly willing to take a stand, yet everyone today still thinks they would have been among those few.
People today are much too smug, thinking they’d be better, they’d do better, like their parents remembered to feed them Goodness Juice and everyone from prior civilizations just forgot.
Outrageous_Basis_997 on
Hate is one hell of a disease
AbsolutelyHorrendous on
I mean… no shit?
It would be very difficult for a regime to engage in the wholesale slaughter of ethnic minorities without at least some level of approval from the populace
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Armenians were rounded up and massacred or driven off
on death marches, the US consul in Trebizond, Oscar Heizer, reported:
“A crowd of Turkish women and children follow the police about like a lot of vultures
and seize anything they can lay their hands on and when the more valuable things
are carried out of the house by the police they rush in and take the balance. I see this
performance every day with my own eyes”
Me when Rwandan genocide
“It did not happen and if it did, they deserved it” moment
I bet it will be easier to count those whithout civilian support. Genoside isnt’t easy to commit thing. It requires a lot off effort, resources and engagement. Usually you won’t get all this things without wide civilian support
1. That didn’t happen.
2. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
3. And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
4. And if it is, that’s not my fault.
5. And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
6. And if I did, you deserved it.
Communist takeovers be like
Rwanda comes to mind. Absolute horror.
Probably more commonly done by civilians encouraged by the government or off their own back. Soldiers don’t sign up for that and it’s a worse look for the government too
I think you’re looking at it wrong. Most genocides are whole heartedly supported by the people conducting the genocide, simply because of how encompassing it is. If the majority of civilians in the new West or Germany hadn’t thought killing Indigineous peoples or Jews, then it wouldn’t have been feasible. People would have sheltered those hunted, they’d have fought against the troops. The reason you’re seeing organised action against ICE now is that people in places like Chichago do not support the current genocide being conducted under the Trump regime and are actively fighting it, and that is why it will fail.
What’s more fascinating is the sheer amount of Genocides conducted that outside communities either actively supported or tacitly accepted.
The most dismal fact of the Holocaust is that a lot of German people know what was happened and just continued with their lifes, they saw how they were prosecuting Jews and sending them in trains that wouldn’t ever come back and they ignored it, people living in towns near Concentration Camps knew perfectly what was happening and ignored it. People claim to say that they didn’t know, and while British and American administration decided that had to be true the French refused to accept that bullshit.
At the end, the French occupation of Germany after the war was the one that de-nazified the best because of that, because they decided to say what other allies were refusing to say: they had to be accountable of their passivity and complicity. The people that resisted was imprisoned and sent to this same camps, they know that this was something that was not information hidden to the German commoner. They had it clear and I respect it, because even If I despise the French for other stuff we have to accept that no one know how to deal with the tyranny like them.
When a genocide happens there are no civilian inocents, there are just complicit people through passivity and they have to remind them what happens when you don’t raise your fist against the injustice when you have to.
Reminds me of a Painter.
Like the current genocide in Gaza
Indonesia communists genocide
Because genocides did not happen in a vaccum. While in no way a justification, they mostly happened between populations that had bad blood between one another, often including mutual killings etc. Holocaust is rare in a way because there was no active conflict between the Jews and the Germans.
Reminds me of the time when germany siege paris. The military wasn’t very enthusiastic. The civilians were *very* enthusiastic
These are pretty unrelated terms.
If anything, the underlying bias associating genocides with militaries is what should be examined. Not every genocide by far is a war crime, and not every war crime is commited by military.
Reminds me of a lecture on YouTube where the professor calls out the attitude of “I would’ve taken a stand” that almost every student has about Nazi Germany, and how authentic maturity and self-awareness is being able to admit to the possibility that you may have gone along with it.
It’s a nice thought to have, that had we been born in that era we would’ve had the courage to stand up; just like I’m fairly sure that most of the people in the world who have ever been caught in the middle of a public robbery (bank, convenience store, etc.) likely had the fantasy at least once of foiling a robbery in progress.
To put it another way, Yad Vashem records about 28,000 “Righteous Among the Nations” – European civilians who tried to stop the Nazi killing process. The population of Europe at that time was over 500,000,000, meaning only around 0.006 percent of the populace were truly willing to take a stand, yet everyone today still thinks they would have been among those few.
People today are much too smug, thinking they’d be better, they’d do better, like their parents remembered to feed them Goodness Juice and everyone from prior civilizations just forgot.
Hate is one hell of a disease
I mean… no shit?
It would be very difficult for a regime to engage in the wholesale slaughter of ethnic minorities without at least some level of approval from the populace