Sure, also the tsar was vastly unpopular, what was the result of his overthrow? Some day a vastly unpopular Putin will be overthrown and replaced by some new fancy ideology (maybe a new fancy AI tyrant) and that’ll result terribly too.
Dostoevsky was right, there is no hope, all choices lead to suffering. Merry russian christmas in a few days.
pillow-slinger on
august coup, because some hardliner cunts got their feelings hurt and decided to fuck it all up
Mountain_Ad_4890 on
The question in referendum was along “Do you support the continuation of USSR as renewed federation of equal republics?”
Which then garnered votes of mild supporters in Ukraine and Russia, who wanted no federal taxes and just customs union or economic union. And in Central Asia they wanted full on USSR.
So after august coup attempt Ukraine and Azerbaijan just bailed out. And the rest couldn’t agree on any idea how new union is supposed to look. So they just replaced USSR with CSI, thus making a written out declaration of (de-facto already dead) dissolution of USSR
putyouradhere_ on
For those who don’t know, roughly 77% voted in favor of the Soviet Union
RestaurantBoring417 on
Doesn’t matter, literally every single ex republic of the USSR aside from Russia prefers independence at this point. And the only reason Russia misses the USSR is because they miss their empire and the times when they were strong and could abuse Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians etc. with impunity.
HonneurOblige on
>sees the Baltics independence referendums with 98% “yes” votes
>panics
>desperately promises “federation of ***equal sovereign republics***”
>doesn’t fulfil the promise
>shits the bed with yet another Kremlin infighting
>dies
Grzechoooo on
“Do you want the country to reform?”
“Sure”
“Sike, coup time. Reform is bad actually, and evil.”
Imperial center votes to keep their empire together.
liberalskateboardist on
USSR, YUGOSLAVIA, CZECHOSLOVAKIA- NO REFERENDUM GANG
kilale132 on
economic crisis + collapse of the country = economic collapse
AppropriateAd5701 on
Most people voted for gaining sovereignity of the republics as was in the question. Ant thats exactly what happened the ussr trasformed into CIS and all the republics became sovereign.
Kato_86 on
Plenty of places voted overwhelmingly for independence shortly after or around the same time. It’s up for debate if they changed their mind, wording of the question or manipulation of the referendum is responsible, but claiming nobody wanted reforms/ independence is still pretty blind to the facts.
Nuclear-Jester on
Ngl, the Union of Sovereign Republics becoming a reality is one of my favorite alternate history ideas
How does the US react to Russia still being a superpower after losing the Cold War? Does the average American even think they won ittl?
How does it impact the events in the Caucusus? What about NATO and Eastern Europe?
Do China and Cuba maintain positive relationships with the successor of the Soviet Union or just accuse it of being revisionist?
So many questions
ImportantSimone_5 on
The only referendum in the history of the USSR, the only one that today’s pro-communists complain about because in practice the USSR ceased to be a collection of republics subject to Russia but an alliance.
BenShealoch on
Not tankie shit again, please.
inokentii on
Outcome of referendum was that most people voted that ussr needs to be reformed
yemsius on
Nice tankie apologist meme. Problem is it doesn’t align with reality, as per usual.
a2falcone on
The question was about approving the New Union Treaty proposed by Gorbachev’s government. The question was: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?”
The result was 77.85% yes and 22.15% no.
The word “sovereign” clearly implies independence, but within some sort of international integration system, while the implied alternative of “not preserving the USSR” also implies independence, but with uncertainty about the “how”.
It was a leading question designed to get “yes” as an answer, and it doesn’t really say much about whether people wanted independence or not. It only says they were afraid of the unknown.
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Tanks.
Depends on the republic
Sure, also the tsar was vastly unpopular, what was the result of his overthrow? Some day a vastly unpopular Putin will be overthrown and replaced by some new fancy ideology (maybe a new fancy AI tyrant) and that’ll result terribly too.
Dostoevsky was right, there is no hope, all choices lead to suffering. Merry russian christmas in a few days.
august coup, because some hardliner cunts got their feelings hurt and decided to fuck it all up
The question in referendum was along “Do you support the continuation of USSR as renewed federation of equal republics?”
Which then garnered votes of mild supporters in Ukraine and Russia, who wanted no federal taxes and just customs union or economic union. And in Central Asia they wanted full on USSR.
So after august coup attempt Ukraine and Azerbaijan just bailed out. And the rest couldn’t agree on any idea how new union is supposed to look. So they just replaced USSR with CSI, thus making a written out declaration of (de-facto already dead) dissolution of USSR
For those who don’t know, roughly 77% voted in favor of the Soviet Union
Doesn’t matter, literally every single ex republic of the USSR aside from Russia prefers independence at this point. And the only reason Russia misses the USSR is because they miss their empire and the times when they were strong and could abuse Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians etc. with impunity.
>sees the Baltics independence referendums with 98% “yes” votes
>panics
>desperately promises “federation of ***equal sovereign republics***”
>doesn’t fulfil the promise
>shits the bed with yet another Kremlin infighting
>dies
“Do you want the country to reform?”
“Sure”
“Sike, coup time. Reform is bad actually, and evil.”
“Well then I guess we’re gonna leave.”
Be russian
got a a autoritarian gouvernement
after a while the people got enought of this
revolution
it slighty better
somehow there is anouther coup d’état
and now they got a a autoritarian gouvernement
Imperial center votes to keep their empire together.
USSR, YUGOSLAVIA, CZECHOSLOVAKIA- NO REFERENDUM GANG
economic crisis + collapse of the country = economic collapse
Most people voted for gaining sovereignity of the republics as was in the question. Ant thats exactly what happened the ussr trasformed into CIS and all the republics became sovereign.
Plenty of places voted overwhelmingly for independence shortly after or around the same time. It’s up for debate if they changed their mind, wording of the question or manipulation of the referendum is responsible, but claiming nobody wanted reforms/ independence is still pretty blind to the facts.
Ngl, the Union of Sovereign Republics becoming a reality is one of my favorite alternate history ideas
How does the US react to Russia still being a superpower after losing the Cold War? Does the average American even think they won ittl?
How does it impact the events in the Caucusus? What about NATO and Eastern Europe?
Do China and Cuba maintain positive relationships with the successor of the Soviet Union or just accuse it of being revisionist?
So many questions
The only referendum in the history of the USSR, the only one that today’s pro-communists complain about because in practice the USSR ceased to be a collection of republics subject to Russia but an alliance.
Not tankie shit again, please.
Outcome of referendum was that most people voted that ussr needs to be reformed
Nice tankie apologist meme. Problem is it doesn’t align with reality, as per usual.
The question was about approving the New Union Treaty proposed by Gorbachev’s government. The question was: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?”
The result was 77.85% yes and 22.15% no.
The word “sovereign” clearly implies independence, but within some sort of international integration system, while the implied alternative of “not preserving the USSR” also implies independence, but with uncertainty about the “how”.
It was a leading question designed to get “yes” as an answer, and it doesn’t really say much about whether people wanted independence or not. It only says they were afraid of the unknown.