This is the kinda shit a Redditor says before he smirks and pushes up his glasses
EgoSenatus on
There was no government that required immigration standards at the time, ergo they did not/could not immigrate illegally.
Edit: since this apparently needs to be said. No the natives did not have immigration standards. The Wampanoag (the tribe that first interacted with the pilgrims) literally just said “oh hey- there’s some funky white people here now. Let’s try and parlay with them to try and get help fighting off the Narragansett (rival tribe).” No concept of “these people arrived in our clearly defined legal borders without permission and violated our visa process” existed.
The modern concept of a visa did not exist until after WWI when nations needed a way to track all the people that fled during the war.
Thothvamasi on
America was severely lacking in diversity before they came.
diobreads on
No laws = not illegal.
Pm7I3 on
Say they weren’t legal immigrants because that feels more technically true
MegaLemonCola on
And that went swimmingly for the natives.
Khalimdorh on
When someone calls the europen colonisers/conquerors of the new world illegal immigrants, do they automatically agree that today’s illegal immigrants are colonisers/conquerors, or they can not sum up 1+1
Altruistic_Coast4777 on
Locals didn’t probably have concept of Borders and they were more flexible on Europe too
Ma_Bowls on
All the most annoying people on Earth get offended when you point this out.
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Monterenbas on
They brought some much needed diversity, to the Americas.
Dank_lord_doge on
Weren’t most puritans who came to America kicked out of Europe for their religious beliefs?
Gas_mask_noise on
So the natives were bigots that should of welcomed the pilgrims into their lands and offered them health care
cgbob31 on
Its not inaccurate. Its true.
ZerotheR on
They were dreamers looking for a beter life…
accnzn on
the good kind
CommitteeofMountains on
Wasn’t this group specifically given clearance, as the Wampanoag needed someone to shoot the Narragansett?
HansWolken on
So you’re telling them illegal immigrants come to take their land and put them in reservations?
Nyther53 on
It always makes me laugh when people think they’re clever with this, its the strongest anti-immigration argument possible lol.
It did not go well for the existing population now did it.
SoLongHeteronormity on
People are being all pedantic over the term “illegal,” but considering that there are colonists on the record expressing the opinion that their contracts with the Native Americans were not entirely above board, I’m not going to argue the word.
If those contracts shouldn’t have been held up in a British court of law, then it might as well have been illegal. (Saying should, not would, because, obviously, just because magistrates and justices SHOULD do a certain thing, doesn’t say they actually would)
Meme_Pope on
Seems like a compelling argument to not want more immigration
Raphael1987 on
People coming in for better life.
UnhappyImplement724 on
War on immigration should change, people just want to deport or hate on everyone, but forget that the true way to combat public unrest is just deport the foreign criminals and/or arrest violent offenders. Dont let your own people suffer because of stupid individuals.
Aetius454 on
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Stromatolite-Bay on
People do realise this example would endorse replacement there right?
Femboy_Makhno on
It is inaccurate because their was no law against immigration and further more they were not immigrants, they were colonizers.
Ajdee6 on
Wheres the lie? They came on boats with no papers.
Late-External3249 on
Counterpoint: The natives were against diversity, immigration, and tried to prevent the English from practicing their cultural tradition of setting up colonies.
Oddloaf on
So illegal immigrants should be driven out at once and without pity, lest they conquer the host country and commit genocide on the natives?
onichan-daisuki on
Most redditor ass take bruh I can smell it from here
Content-Audience252 on
Why are there so many morons in this thread?
NordicHorde2 on
This isn’t the own you think it is. And the idea that because something bad happened in the past means you can’t call it out now is beyond stupid.
Teh_Ocean on
Lmao lot of pissed off white people in this thread
Hethsegew on
It’s entirely inaccurate, they either arrived on a land without state and laws or a land that was captured by a state which legalized their settlement.
Also, the argument this makes is actually the total opposite of what was intended.
Prof-Egghead on
I wonder if there were natives shouting down people stating a need to secure the border for fear of worse down the line…
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This is the kinda shit a Redditor says before he smirks and pushes up his glasses
There was no government that required immigration standards at the time, ergo they did not/could not immigrate illegally.
Edit: since this apparently needs to be said. No the natives did not have immigration standards. The Wampanoag (the tribe that first interacted with the pilgrims) literally just said “oh hey- there’s some funky white people here now. Let’s try and parlay with them to try and get help fighting off the Narragansett (rival tribe).” No concept of “these people arrived in our clearly defined legal borders without permission and violated our visa process” existed.
The modern concept of a visa did not exist until after WWI when nations needed a way to track all the people that fled during the war.
America was severely lacking in diversity before they came.
No laws = not illegal.
Say they weren’t legal immigrants because that feels more technically true
And that went swimmingly for the natives.
When someone calls the europen colonisers/conquerors of the new world illegal immigrants, do they automatically agree that today’s illegal immigrants are colonisers/conquerors, or they can not sum up 1+1
Locals didn’t probably have concept of Borders and they were more flexible on Europe too
All the most annoying people on Earth get offended when you point this out.
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They brought some much needed diversity, to the Americas.
Weren’t most puritans who came to America kicked out of Europe for their religious beliefs?
So the natives were bigots that should of welcomed the pilgrims into their lands and offered them health care
Its not inaccurate. Its true.
They were dreamers looking for a beter life…
the good kind
Wasn’t this group specifically given clearance, as the Wampanoag needed someone to shoot the Narragansett?
So you’re telling them illegal immigrants come to take their land and put them in reservations?
It always makes me laugh when people think they’re clever with this, its the strongest anti-immigration argument possible lol.
It did not go well for the existing population now did it.
People are being all pedantic over the term “illegal,” but considering that there are colonists on the record expressing the opinion that their contracts with the Native Americans were not entirely above board, I’m not going to argue the word.
If those contracts shouldn’t have been held up in a British court of law, then it might as well have been illegal. (Saying should, not would, because, obviously, just because magistrates and justices SHOULD do a certain thing, doesn’t say they actually would)
Seems like a compelling argument to not want more immigration
People coming in for better life.
War on immigration should change, people just want to deport or hate on everyone, but forget that the true way to combat public unrest is just deport the foreign criminals and/or arrest violent offenders. Dont let your own people suffer because of stupid individuals.
R/iamverysmart
R/iam14andthisisdeep
People do realise this example would endorse replacement there right?
It is inaccurate because their was no law against immigration and further more they were not immigrants, they were colonizers.
Wheres the lie? They came on boats with no papers.
Counterpoint: The natives were against diversity, immigration, and tried to prevent the English from practicing their cultural tradition of setting up colonies.
So illegal immigrants should be driven out at once and without pity, lest they conquer the host country and commit genocide on the natives?
Most redditor ass take bruh I can smell it from here
Why are there so many morons in this thread?
This isn’t the own you think it is. And the idea that because something bad happened in the past means you can’t call it out now is beyond stupid.
Lmao lot of pissed off white people in this thread
It’s entirely inaccurate, they either arrived on a land without state and laws or a land that was captured by a state which legalized their settlement.
Also, the argument this makes is actually the total opposite of what was intended.
I wonder if there were natives shouting down people stating a need to secure the border for fear of worse down the line…
That’ll help your kids
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