But the Mongols won because…. Because they were Mongols
ThePrimalEarth7734 on
Ok but Napoleon did invade Russia. Pretty successfully actually, and actually made it to Moscow. It was leaving Russia that was the issue
TheHistoryMaster2520 on
Sweden:
Germany in WWI: Pathetic
Efficient-Orchid-594 on
агуу Чингис хаан
IDF_till_communism on
Maybe the direction is the problem? If Napoleon/Germany invaded from China they would be successfuly.
whverman on
Best to attack from the east!
KsanteOnlyfans on
The mongols didnt invade russia.
They invaded a collection of tribes and principalities that inhabit the current russian soil.
East-Plankton-3877 on
Germany only really failed because 1) it got delayed a month by Italy failing to invade Greece and having to bail them out 2) couldn’t get enough captured Soviet trains to assist with the invasion logistics 3) the Allies supplying the Soviets with a massive amount of lend lease to replace losses from the initial invasion.
4g3nt58 on
I would say the Germans and the French got the better deal in the end… The Mongols write in Cyrillic these days
GenosseAbfuck on
Here’s the problem: Everyone thinks the issue is with invading in winter. But early on in your invasion your train is at its peak performance so that’s the part where surviving the winter is the easiest. Then once it’s spring and the frost is thawing, turning the whole country in a big ol’ pan of quicksand… oh wait
lyidaValkris on
The mongols won because they were attacking from the opposite direction. The very direction Russia performed a strategic retreat and scorched earth strategy in the other two cases. So the Mongols basically cut off their escape and had them trapped between them and Europe.
Also, as others noted, Russia wasn’t yet a nation at the time of the Mongols, so there’s that as well. Defeating a bunch of slavic tribes and feudal city-states is not as much of a challenge as the russian empire, or soviet union.
NabstheGreninja16 on
In all fairness, Napoleon and Hitler we’re trying after the birth of a much more unitary and organised Russian state.
Although ironically this was partly thanks to the Mongols…
RaggedDolfin on
“Why attacking Russia from the West, when you can attack it from East?”
Mongolia
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France and Germany lost for 2 reasons
1- strategic errors
2- logistical errors
3- the Russians using the scorched earth strategy
But the Mongols won because…. Because they were Mongols
Ok but Napoleon did invade Russia. Pretty successfully actually, and actually made it to Moscow. It was leaving Russia that was the issue
Sweden:
Germany in WWI: Pathetic
агуу Чингис хаан
Maybe the direction is the problem? If Napoleon/Germany invaded from China they would be successfuly.
Best to attack from the east!
The mongols didnt invade russia.
They invaded a collection of tribes and principalities that inhabit the current russian soil.
Germany only really failed because 1) it got delayed a month by Italy failing to invade Greece and having to bail them out 2) couldn’t get enough captured Soviet trains to assist with the invasion logistics 3) the Allies supplying the Soviets with a massive amount of lend lease to replace losses from the initial invasion.
I would say the Germans and the French got the better deal in the end… The Mongols write in Cyrillic these days
Here’s the problem: Everyone thinks the issue is with invading in winter. But early on in your invasion your train is at its peak performance so that’s the part where surviving the winter is the easiest. Then once it’s spring and the frost is thawing, turning the whole country in a big ol’ pan of quicksand… oh wait
The mongols won because they were attacking from the opposite direction. The very direction Russia performed a strategic retreat and scorched earth strategy in the other two cases. So the Mongols basically cut off their escape and had them trapped between them and Europe.
Also, as others noted, Russia wasn’t yet a nation at the time of the Mongols, so there’s that as well. Defeating a bunch of slavic tribes and feudal city-states is not as much of a challenge as the russian empire, or soviet union.
In all fairness, Napoleon and Hitler we’re trying after the birth of a much more unitary and organised Russian state.
Although ironically this was partly thanks to the Mongols…
“Why attacking Russia from the West, when you can attack it from East?”
Mongolia