Rice needs a lot of water to grow and I’m not sure how it’ll grow in super cold winters.
69YaoiKing69 on
Wdym wheat is more dominant? Rice literally feeds the half of the world population. Wheat shares the other 50% with other grains.
p_pio on
Alcohol. Wheat gave us beer, after that? Well, people got to eat something and they already got wheat so they starter looking for alternative uses. Add lot of times and someone was bound to find out how to make flour.
MyonicS on
It’s easily taxed. I can strongly recommend “Against the Grain” by James Scott.
Weary_Information_77 on
After harvesting you have to beat the rice to remove the husk. You can’t just boil harvested paddy.
vikster16 on
Rice needs quite a bit of processing too
SerbianSock on
Wheat can just straight away be cooked, 0 processing needed. Add water and heat
Manjorno316 on
Good luck growing rice up here in Scandinavia.
motivation_bender on
Native americans needing a chem degree to make corn edible
LeSygneNoir on
So I’m just going to put this here, but no one actually wiped their ass with a sponge on a stick..
While the sponge on a stick existed, it was most likely a toilet brush for cleaning after yourself rather than a way to wipe… Which really makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
Gemini is telling me this.. what was even life like then!!
The earliest cultivation of wheat is traced to the Fertile Crescent region of the Near East (which includes modern-day southeastern Turkey) around 9600 BCE or even earlier
analoggi_d0ggi on
>Historically relevant
Lol what judges this?
TheHelhound2001 on
The only reason Wheat “needs” to be processed as much is because it’s more delicious. Rice after threshing and milling just needs to be cooked, so does wheat, but instead of a nice neutral medium for sauce you get porridge or gruel. Ofcourse wheat is milled into fucking flour, it tastes so much better as bread.
Erpes2 on
Dont you have to plant rice one stalk at a time ? Where as for the wheat you just throw it like you were feeding bird
Dark_Necrofear2020 on
The first use of wild wheat was to grind it into a powder that could be stored. Then when the tribe needed some food they would boil this powder to make gruel. It takes little time to gather a decent amount of wild wheat even with Neolithic tools.
Then what happened is that there was a lazy fuck who left his gruel leftovers out. If it was hot, it would bake and become bread. If it was cool, it would ferment and become beer (early beer was 1-2% alcohol and had floaty chunks).
BlueberryPersonal581 on
Just wait till this guy learns about legumes 🤯
Adept_Mixture on
To be fair, that sponge thing is probably just a myth.
We have nothing that indicates it was used to actually wipe yourself with. That’s just a guess. Why would it, when the more reasonable explanation is that it was just a toilet brush, like we have today for cleaning?
the-software-man on
Wait til you learn about acorn flour that native Californians processed. Get it wrong and it’s a very bad scene.
lnmgl on
Wheat on a stick
Rabid-Wendigo on
The actual growing of Wheat is much easier than rice
Trans-Parent-Dad on
I mean we also went through a couple of generations of just boiling grain into porridge before figuring out you could make yummy bread or beer from it
Through trial and error, forgetfulness and low kitchen hygiene standards it’s just a matter of time till you figure out that leftover porridge gives you a good buzz or tastes extra crunchy if you grill it a second time
If you’re bored when the wifi is out for an afternoon, just imagine the inventiveness caused by the boredom stuck for long winter nights huddled in caves
I_am_The_Teapot on
It’s pretty much the same processing as rice. But wheat is a hardier crop and requires far less labor to grow. You can also just “fucking boil it” like rice to eat it.
trebron55 on
Be wheat.
Be fairly easy to cultivate, matching the environmental conditions of the Mediterranean and historical Near-East
Be edible as porridge or stew after just boiling in hot water for a few hours.
Be versatile
Require a stick to thresh and two stones to grind.
Have unskilled labor in abundance so there are enough hands to do the processes.
Give a few thousand years of domestication and experimentation and
Let humans come up with more efficient ways of get nutrients out of you, making you easier to transport and preserve, like baking.
In this regard be very similar to rice or other grains.
Give another few thousand years just for some ignorant redditor to claim you are so complicated.
2nW_from_Markus on
Again: the sponge was for the lætrinæ, you unculturæd barbærian. The cleansing was performed with clean water from the small channel flowing through the floor with the æid of œne’s hands.
SCP_fan12 on
Rice is harder to process than OOP thinks. There’s a lot of extra work that goes into just growing that shit.
Rammipallero on
Just wait until you learn about what’s needed for corn.
soantis on
Wheat is more resilient to the weather conditions and requires less water. So it is more dominant in Europe and west Asia. While we see corn in Americas and Rice in East Asia. It all depends on the climate and resources you have.
VikingOfCaribbean on
OP forgot the last crucial step for the rice:
Come up with and add a shit ton of weird ass sauces to make its bland ass somewhat palatable and enjoyable to eat.
Tman11S on
Weren’t the ancient Egyptians cultivating wheat as well? That’s from before the communal poop stick
Worldly_Tank_5408 on
Humanity figured out wheat before the Romans figured out the communal shit-stick
mostheteroestofmen on
Here in this part of the world we just fucking boil wheat into a dish that is called “bulgur pilavı”. Just like you do with rice.
gerhardsymons on
Ever since reading c.16th French philosopher Montaigne’s *Essays*, my gag reflex starts whenever I see the fateful words ‘communal sponge on a stick’.
IYKYK, and trust me, you don’t want to know.
Thedudewiththedog on
Wheat came first and grows better in the cold.
AstraLudens on
Simple reason : because what everybody calls “wheat” now used to be a family of cereal, not a single plant.
Emmer, spelt, einkorn, durum … They are each adapted to their regional climate, behave differently, and make very different types of gruel, beer or bread.
Translation didn’t helped, as everyone called their local cereal “wheat”, or “grain”, while they were totally different from one another.
What we call “wheat” today was initially a very marginal crop cultivated on the best land only. Spelt and emmer were far more popular for their rusticity.
floggedlog on
Well, you don’t know about harvesting grain and that’s clear
separating rice from its grass stock is the exact same as separating wheat from its grass stock lol and if you’re making rice flour the rest of the process matches up
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Rice needs a lot of water to grow and I’m not sure how it’ll grow in super cold winters.
Wdym wheat is more dominant? Rice literally feeds the half of the world population. Wheat shares the other 50% with other grains.
Alcohol. Wheat gave us beer, after that? Well, people got to eat something and they already got wheat so they starter looking for alternative uses. Add lot of times and someone was bound to find out how to make flour.
It’s easily taxed. I can strongly recommend “Against the Grain” by James Scott.
After harvesting you have to beat the rice to remove the husk. You can’t just boil harvested paddy.
Rice needs quite a bit of processing too
Wheat can just straight away be cooked, 0 processing needed. Add water and heat
Good luck growing rice up here in Scandinavia.
Native americans needing a chem degree to make corn edible
So I’m just going to put this here, but no one actually wiped their ass with a sponge on a stick..
While the sponge on a stick existed, it was most likely a toilet brush for cleaning after yourself rather than a way to wipe… Which really makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
The usual weirdly detailed AskHistorians answer is that way: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1o66604/comment/njej25w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1o66604/comment/njej25w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Gemini is telling me this.. what was even life like then!!
The earliest cultivation of wheat is traced to the Fertile Crescent region of the Near East (which includes modern-day southeastern Turkey) around 9600 BCE or even earlier
>Historically relevant
Lol what judges this?
The only reason Wheat “needs” to be processed as much is because it’s more delicious. Rice after threshing and milling just needs to be cooked, so does wheat, but instead of a nice neutral medium for sauce you get porridge or gruel. Ofcourse wheat is milled into fucking flour, it tastes so much better as bread.
Dont you have to plant rice one stalk at a time ? Where as for the wheat you just throw it like you were feeding bird
The first use of wild wheat was to grind it into a powder that could be stored. Then when the tribe needed some food they would boil this powder to make gruel. It takes little time to gather a decent amount of wild wheat even with Neolithic tools.
Then what happened is that there was a lazy fuck who left his gruel leftovers out. If it was hot, it would bake and become bread. If it was cool, it would ferment and become beer (early beer was 1-2% alcohol and had floaty chunks).
Just wait till this guy learns about legumes 🤯
To be fair, that sponge thing is probably just a myth.
We have nothing that indicates it was used to actually wipe yourself with. That’s just a guess. Why would it, when the more reasonable explanation is that it was just a toilet brush, like we have today for cleaning?
Wait til you learn about acorn flour that native Californians processed. Get it wrong and it’s a very bad scene.
Wheat on a stick
The actual growing of Wheat is much easier than rice
I mean we also went through a couple of generations of just boiling grain into porridge before figuring out you could make yummy bread or beer from it
Through trial and error, forgetfulness and low kitchen hygiene standards it’s just a matter of time till you figure out that leftover porridge gives you a good buzz or tastes extra crunchy if you grill it a second time
If you’re bored when the wifi is out for an afternoon, just imagine the inventiveness caused by the boredom stuck for long winter nights huddled in caves
It’s pretty much the same processing as rice. But wheat is a hardier crop and requires far less labor to grow. You can also just “fucking boil it” like rice to eat it.
Be wheat.
Be fairly easy to cultivate, matching the environmental conditions of the Mediterranean and historical Near-East
Be edible as porridge or stew after just boiling in hot water for a few hours.
Be versatile
Require a stick to thresh and two stones to grind.
Have unskilled labor in abundance so there are enough hands to do the processes.
Give a few thousand years of domestication and experimentation and
Let humans come up with more efficient ways of get nutrients out of you, making you easier to transport and preserve, like baking.
In this regard be very similar to rice or other grains.
Give another few thousand years just for some ignorant redditor to claim you are so complicated.
Again: the sponge was for the lætrinæ, you unculturæd barbærian. The cleansing was performed with clean water from the small channel flowing through the floor with the æid of œne’s hands.
Rice is harder to process than OOP thinks. There’s a lot of extra work that goes into just growing that shit.
Just wait until you learn about what’s needed for corn.
Wheat is more resilient to the weather conditions and requires less water. So it is more dominant in Europe and west Asia. While we see corn in Americas and Rice in East Asia. It all depends on the climate and resources you have.
OP forgot the last crucial step for the rice:
Come up with and add a shit ton of weird ass sauces to make its bland ass somewhat palatable and enjoyable to eat.
Weren’t the ancient Egyptians cultivating wheat as well? That’s from before the communal poop stick
Humanity figured out wheat before the Romans figured out the communal shit-stick
Here in this part of the world we just fucking boil wheat into a dish that is called “bulgur pilavı”. Just like you do with rice.
Ever since reading c.16th French philosopher Montaigne’s *Essays*, my gag reflex starts whenever I see the fateful words ‘communal sponge on a stick’.
IYKYK, and trust me, you don’t want to know.
Wheat came first and grows better in the cold.
Simple reason : because what everybody calls “wheat” now used to be a family of cereal, not a single plant.
Emmer, spelt, einkorn, durum … They are each adapted to their regional climate, behave differently, and make very different types of gruel, beer or bread.
Translation didn’t helped, as everyone called their local cereal “wheat”, or “grain”, while they were totally different from one another.
What we call “wheat” today was initially a very marginal crop cultivated on the best land only. Spelt and emmer were far more popular for their rusticity.
Well, you don’t know about harvesting grain and that’s clear
separating rice from its grass stock is the exact same as separating wheat from its grass stock lol and if you’re making rice flour the rest of the process matches up
Huh?
There’s lots of overlap in most grain processing