So war is bad, and we should avoid it as much as possible(which is pretty much every war)?
Who would have thought.
ubermick on
For a country that never shuts up about how much they love their military, the US government really doesn’t give a single shit about their military, do they?
i_play_withrocks on
This is horrific
bearrosaurus on
Having guns in your home makes you 8x more likely to commit suicide
Temporary-Fruit-6930 on
Good thing they stopped in 2020
AndyMagandy on
Does anyone know where this data is from? Not criticizing, just curious for more detail.
Euronated-inmypants on
Republicans scream and yell about helping Veterans then vote against every single bill that helps veterans. Then blame dems for not helping Veterans
Alternative_Fox3674 on
Harrowing.
annnoyingness on
Personally knew of three deaths in my unit. Also, in my platoon, out of the 10 of us that were married prior to deployment, only one came back still married.
mana191 on
XYZ died due to non-combat related injuries ….
If you had ever wondered why it was reported that way in Stars and Stripes
Far-Click9413 on
It was a rude awakening after serving in the military and discovering that the real enemy was behind us, not in front. Can’t tell you how many people I know who’ve bit the bullet because of how awful the treatment is.
Beginning_Self896 on
“When you talk about the mental health problems — when people come back from war and combat, and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it. But a lot of people can’t handle it,”
Guess who
silent_violet_ on
Army vet, combat engineer.
I feel like my life is riding with the check engine light on, suspension going out, registration past due, and “Hey I just met you” stuck on the radio…
…and my insurance is $365 a month at USAA (that part’s true and I’ve left them for progressive).
MrnDrnn on
Cool story. Now let’s all pretend to care and make up excuses to blame the opposing political groups while absolutely nothing gets done, but at least everyone can pretend to give a shit while doing nothing and blaming someone else…
PanzerFoster on
that is an, uh, interesting song choice for this stat
Ok-Courage798 on
This should be in the sadasfuck sub
skywarthur on
Kinda sad, you get in the military when you’re young, then you leave, and then the sad reality that you’re not a hero but instead a puppet hits and you start to remember everything that you went through and how the system used you as a tool so politicians can tell a sad story on TV to make them more powerful.
Nthaikim on
You will survive your tour, only to die from the battles in your head.
Happy_adarsh on
there should be a rehab for EVERY vet which should be FREE, it should last 6 months, enough time for them to get used to normal society once aain
Fun_Camp_7103 on
But remember everybody: all of those programs and services and safety nets and psychological services we just cut were getting in the way of warrior ethos
tbone7355 on
Thats depressing as fuck
Medialunch on
Why not just compare military suicides to non military suicides? I’m sure it’s not equal but that is the real metric that matters.
smithywesson on
The data nerd in me would like a little more info. Were these all vet suicides or just those serving in these two conflict zones? How many of those suicides were active duty still? For those who were separated, how much time was there between separation and suicide?
Also…a ton of people join the military to escape a tough home life or socioeconomic struggles. I’d be willing to bet that many of them would be at a higher risk for suicide already – not saying that’s the cause but something worth considering.
UpDose on
The best way to thank veterans is to STOP STARTING MORE WARS
TigerTerrier on
I saw an interview from a Vietnam vet one day and je could hardly get it out but he said a difference even in his day was that for guys coming back from WW1 and WW2, they had a month or longer sometimes sailing home. So they had time to talk to buddies and decompress before going back and a heroes welcome. Vietnam especially did not and later wars you were in combat and then could be home the next day and expected to just flip off the switch and go right back to civilian life.
TLDR; take the time to read above
Steve_Esp on
why a 38 seconds video when a static graph could have conveyed the same information?
I don’t believe the video add drama to the fact…
Alive_Entrepreneur23 on
This is sad. Unnecessary wars for individuals wealth gains.
Necessary-Tone-6166 on
That is so fucking horrible. Thank you for sharing it.
Does anyone have data on the last four years?
Turbulent-Usual-9822 on
Being taught to kill your brothers isn’t good for your mental health.
Hefty-Tomatillo-1236 on
Then they made a movie about how some hero got sad after dropping bombs and killing people in their time in the middle east
SGTdad on
As a vet. The VA mental health system is atrocious. I have been misdiagnosed, have had pills thrown at me that make me feel like a fucking zombie, run the gambit until I finally got a provider that listened to my thoughts and feelings in order to properly diagnose me and give me the correct medication.
It took A LOT of work and pushback on my end. I have the intelligence and ware with all to play the game and get to where I need to be to be healthy.
I can empathize and see where others would get fed up, feel lost, feel alone, and feel unheard.
If you’ve experienced the system, you know what I’m talking about. My story and journey are not dissimilar to what others go through, yet semi unique in the way that I was able to get things accomplished and get the help I needed, where as others don’t and even face more difficult challenges than I did.
Some, one is too many, give up and check out. I don’t blame them, it’s the system.
The military in war time is an eater of souls. No one comes back the same whether you were a cook or a door kicker.
Stay strong my brothers and sisters in arms. There’s always someone willing to listen. Give it one more shot one more everything you got before you give in please. There is help!
touchstone8787 on
These stats always paint an incomplete picture. I never see them with the national suicide rates or even death rates of veterans from causes other than suicide.
Im not saying there isn’t a problem here. The science is out there clearly linking head trauma from blasts to mental deterioration. Mental health as a whole is under treated here in the US. Most health insurance plans dont even cover mental health, so most people are either forced to pay out of pocket or just not get treatment.
Spirited_Honey_6372 on
Also have to mention: both of those countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, suffered more than 10x the number of casualties for unjust, unnecessary wars. Someone has to say it. We can’t just look at eh loss of American lives, those ppl are human beings too
Altiverses on
Playing devil’s advocate here..
This infographic literally means nothing. Does it show suicide rates in veterans is higher than the average?
It may very well be, but the graph could show the same numbers even if serving actually *reduced* suicide rates
Why is it comparing two completely different group sizes in raw numbers instead of percentages? All veterans VS actively serving during the wartime is a different scale.
This could be very interesting if the infographic wasn’t misleading to the point of irrelevance
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Good graphic for an underreported sad reality.
So war is bad, and we should avoid it as much as possible(which is pretty much every war)?
Who would have thought.
For a country that never shuts up about how much they love their military, the US government really doesn’t give a single shit about their military, do they?
This is horrific
Having guns in your home makes you 8x more likely to commit suicide
Good thing they stopped in 2020
Does anyone know where this data is from? Not criticizing, just curious for more detail.
Republicans scream and yell about helping Veterans then vote against every single bill that helps veterans. Then blame dems for not helping Veterans
Harrowing.
Personally knew of three deaths in my unit. Also, in my platoon, out of the 10 of us that were married prior to deployment, only one came back still married.
XYZ died due to non-combat related injuries ….
If you had ever wondered why it was reported that way in Stars and Stripes
It was a rude awakening after serving in the military and discovering that the real enemy was behind us, not in front. Can’t tell you how many people I know who’ve bit the bullet because of how awful the treatment is.
“When you talk about the mental health problems — when people come back from war and combat, and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it. But a lot of people can’t handle it,”
Guess who
Army vet, combat engineer.
I feel like my life is riding with the check engine light on, suspension going out, registration past due, and “Hey I just met you” stuck on the radio…
…and my insurance is $365 a month at USAA (that part’s true and I’ve left them for progressive).
Cool story. Now let’s all pretend to care and make up excuses to blame the opposing political groups while absolutely nothing gets done, but at least everyone can pretend to give a shit while doing nothing and blaming someone else…
that is an, uh, interesting song choice for this stat
This should be in the sadasfuck sub
Kinda sad, you get in the military when you’re young, then you leave, and then the sad reality that you’re not a hero but instead a puppet hits and you start to remember everything that you went through and how the system used you as a tool so politicians can tell a sad story on TV to make them more powerful.
You will survive your tour, only to die from the battles in your head.
there should be a rehab for EVERY vet which should be FREE, it should last 6 months, enough time for them to get used to normal society once aain
But remember everybody: all of those programs and services and safety nets and psychological services we just cut were getting in the way of warrior ethos
Thats depressing as fuck
Why not just compare military suicides to non military suicides? I’m sure it’s not equal but that is the real metric that matters.
The data nerd in me would like a little more info. Were these all vet suicides or just those serving in these two conflict zones? How many of those suicides were active duty still? For those who were separated, how much time was there between separation and suicide?
Also…a ton of people join the military to escape a tough home life or socioeconomic struggles. I’d be willing to bet that many of them would be at a higher risk for suicide already – not saying that’s the cause but something worth considering.
The best way to thank veterans is to STOP STARTING MORE WARS
I saw an interview from a Vietnam vet one day and je could hardly get it out but he said a difference even in his day was that for guys coming back from WW1 and WW2, they had a month or longer sometimes sailing home. So they had time to talk to buddies and decompress before going back and a heroes welcome. Vietnam especially did not and later wars you were in combat and then could be home the next day and expected to just flip off the switch and go right back to civilian life.
TLDR; take the time to read above
why a 38 seconds video when a static graph could have conveyed the same information?
I don’t believe the video add drama to the fact…
This is sad. Unnecessary wars for individuals wealth gains.
That is so fucking horrible. Thank you for sharing it.
Does anyone have data on the last four years?
Being taught to kill your brothers isn’t good for your mental health.
Then they made a movie about how some hero got sad after dropping bombs and killing people in their time in the middle east
As a vet. The VA mental health system is atrocious. I have been misdiagnosed, have had pills thrown at me that make me feel like a fucking zombie, run the gambit until I finally got a provider that listened to my thoughts and feelings in order to properly diagnose me and give me the correct medication.
It took A LOT of work and pushback on my end. I have the intelligence and ware with all to play the game and get to where I need to be to be healthy.
I can empathize and see where others would get fed up, feel lost, feel alone, and feel unheard.
If you’ve experienced the system, you know what I’m talking about. My story and journey are not dissimilar to what others go through, yet semi unique in the way that I was able to get things accomplished and get the help I needed, where as others don’t and even face more difficult challenges than I did.
Some, one is too many, give up and check out. I don’t blame them, it’s the system.
The military in war time is an eater of souls. No one comes back the same whether you were a cook or a door kicker.
Stay strong my brothers and sisters in arms. There’s always someone willing to listen. Give it one more shot one more everything you got before you give in please. There is help!
These stats always paint an incomplete picture. I never see them with the national suicide rates or even death rates of veterans from causes other than suicide.
Im not saying there isn’t a problem here. The science is out there clearly linking head trauma from blasts to mental deterioration. Mental health as a whole is under treated here in the US. Most health insurance plans dont even cover mental health, so most people are either forced to pay out of pocket or just not get treatment.
Also have to mention: both of those countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, suffered more than 10x the number of casualties for unjust, unnecessary wars. Someone has to say it. We can’t just look at eh loss of American lives, those ppl are human beings too
Playing devil’s advocate here..
This infographic literally means nothing. Does it show suicide rates in veterans is higher than the average?
It may very well be, but the graph could show the same numbers even if serving actually *reduced* suicide rates
Why is it comparing two completely different group sizes in raw numbers instead of percentages? All veterans VS actively serving during the wartime is a different scale.
This could be very interesting if the infographic wasn’t misleading to the point of irrelevance