Don’t have any of the rulers of the empire named after the capitals founder. Rome fell with Romulus and Constantinople fell with Constantine. That’s it. That’s the only rule.
The Japanese and Mongol empires would like to have a word!
Malvastor on
Who can forget the fall of Qing China and the overthrow of Emperor Beijing, or the collapse of Sassanid Persia after the death in battle of Shahanshah Ctesiphon.
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Rome didn’t fell with Romulus tho.
Romanticism and popular culture have made us to think that what happened in Rome was a big deal when people in the city actually didn’t think that something at all changed. Rome was in a continuous state of political anarchy that ended with Romulus Augustulus, but he was a puppet of the magister militum Orestes. He was literally his little son, his own kid.
This coup d’êtat was answered with Odoacer becoming king of Italy and expeling the kid out of Rome. However, when he crowned himself king and not emperor he argued that he was governing in the name of the legitimate emperor of the West which was the one recognised by the East: Julius Nepos. He was still de iure the emperor of Rome and at the same time was de facto the administrator of the province of Dalmatia. Siagrius also recognised him as the emperor. Money was coined with his face and name on them.
After Julius Nepos was killed no one held the title and the formality of the West Rome titles ceased to be valid. He had a serious campaign on mind to retake Italy so he was plotting again Odoacer. We would never know what would happened next because he was killed by his own soldiers, and there is a suspect of a conspirator in a bishop that had beef with them. That’d happen in 480 CE.
We have to also mention that Rome was not relevant at all for West Rome when it fell. The capital was in Ravenna.
I’d also didn’t like to point the Constantine legend because to be fair the city had story before Constantine the Great and he just moved the capital and changed the name of the city, but I think that it’d be considered that he founded the city of Constantinople over the elder city of Byzantium so I’d gladly accept that.
HOWEVER.
If we follow the formalities of the legality of such titles and take the feudalism of those as a legitimate claim, then there’s also history after the fall of the city.
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The Japanese and Mongol empires would like to have a word!
Who can forget the fall of Qing China and the overthrow of Emperor Beijing, or the collapse of Sassanid Persia after the death in battle of Shahanshah Ctesiphon.
Rome didn’t fell with Romulus tho.
Romanticism and popular culture have made us to think that what happened in Rome was a big deal when people in the city actually didn’t think that something at all changed. Rome was in a continuous state of political anarchy that ended with Romulus Augustulus, but he was a puppet of the magister militum Orestes. He was literally his little son, his own kid.
This coup d’êtat was answered with Odoacer becoming king of Italy and expeling the kid out of Rome. However, when he crowned himself king and not emperor he argued that he was governing in the name of the legitimate emperor of the West which was the one recognised by the East: Julius Nepos. He was still de iure the emperor of Rome and at the same time was de facto the administrator of the province of Dalmatia. Siagrius also recognised him as the emperor. Money was coined with his face and name on them.
After Julius Nepos was killed no one held the title and the formality of the West Rome titles ceased to be valid. He had a serious campaign on mind to retake Italy so he was plotting again Odoacer. We would never know what would happened next because he was killed by his own soldiers, and there is a suspect of a conspirator in a bishop that had beef with them. That’d happen in 480 CE.
We have to also mention that Rome was not relevant at all for West Rome when it fell. The capital was in Ravenna.
I’d also didn’t like to point the Constantine legend because to be fair the city had story before Constantine the Great and he just moved the capital and changed the name of the city, but I think that it’d be considered that he founded the city of Constantinople over the elder city of Byzantium so I’d gladly accept that.
HOWEVER.
If we follow the formalities of the legality of such titles and take the feudalism of those as a legitimate claim, then there’s also history after the fall of the city.