Honestly both 1455 (Gutenberg bible) and 1517 (luther theses) are better cut off dates than 1453, 1492 still is imo best.
BaltimoreBadger23 on
So is there a point at which the so-called modern era (post 15th century) ends and gets renamed and we declare ourselves to be in a new era?
Lost-Klaus on
I have taken to stop trying to define world history in these terms. Instead I have taken to think of the various “stories”
Personal/individual
Generational (or a few decades)
Larger “Arcs” for innovations in fields of mechanical/technical, but also societal and philosphical
And Saga’s which span Empires and Dynasties.
It doesn’t make sense to use “medieval” when speaking about various Chinese Dynasties or bronze age when describing the various American (pre-columbus) nations, tribes and peoples.
It isn’t what most people do but I like stories, so this works for me (:
Depend_Pt_throwaway on
Don’t get too self righteous against the byzantine glazers
1453 was also when the 100 years war ended, cementing France’s rise after defeating the English.
This would also lead the French & the Ottomans to form the unholy alliance
bandicootcharlz on
1517 is the best date. Its the collapse of christianity unity in actual medieval territories. The greatest medieval mark of society was the power of the church by its unity (of course we had conflitcs etc, but in general, church was the main power). The medieval history view is the christianity history, witch ends with appocalipse, Luthero and Julio X rivalry, the crops crises, the division of church, everything was pointing to the end of the world. When society survived the church division, it marks the end of power of the church, based on unity. The whole point of middle ages is religous, there´s no reason to point no religious factors as primal reasons to its end.
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Honestly both 1455 (Gutenberg bible) and 1517 (luther theses) are better cut off dates than 1453, 1492 still is imo best.
So is there a point at which the so-called modern era (post 15th century) ends and gets renamed and we declare ourselves to be in a new era?
I have taken to stop trying to define world history in these terms. Instead I have taken to think of the various “stories”
Personal/individual
Generational (or a few decades)
Larger “Arcs” for innovations in fields of mechanical/technical, but also societal and philosphical
And Saga’s which span Empires and Dynasties.
It doesn’t make sense to use “medieval” when speaking about various Chinese Dynasties or bronze age when describing the various American (pre-columbus) nations, tribes and peoples.
It isn’t what most people do but I like stories, so this works for me (:
Don’t get too self righteous against the byzantine glazers
1453 was also when the 100 years war ended, cementing France’s rise after defeating the English.
This would also lead the French & the Ottomans to form the unholy alliance
1517 is the best date. Its the collapse of christianity unity in actual medieval territories. The greatest medieval mark of society was the power of the church by its unity (of course we had conflitcs etc, but in general, church was the main power). The medieval history view is the christianity history, witch ends with appocalipse, Luthero and Julio X rivalry, the crops crises, the division of church, everything was pointing to the end of the world. When society survived the church division, it marks the end of power of the church, based on unity. The whole point of middle ages is religous, there´s no reason to point no religious factors as primal reasons to its end.