They don’t call it the wild west for nothin. Nothing says keeping the peace like ignorant aggressive overarmed cops.
cheezeeweezee on
Considering the population density the numbers look about even.
population Germany 2023 – 83,294,633
population Norway 2023 – 5,474,360
population Finland 2023 – 5,545,475
NarclepticSloth on
You can’t just blame the police. The overall attitude and behavior of the people in other countries is much better than the US.
Only-Alarm545 on
What’s the difference between a police officer and a bullet? When a bullet kills someone else, you know it’s been fired
maskedpaki on
Misleading. This has more to do with how police are armed and how criminals are armed respectively than police training times. In USA police have to assume every criminal might be reaching for a gun at times.
Rothose on
3 years in Germany not 2.
lost_mentat on
Police in USA needs more training this is a fact. but these countries are also immensely different when it comes to overall crime and violence (not to mention population as well) . But definitely in the USA Police need more training they are too tricker happy.
Hot-Operation-8208 on
The amount of training required is a legitimate criticism, but comparing the fatalities between the US and some countries with tiny populations is kinda stupid. For reference Norway and Finland each have about 5 mil population. Half the the states in the US have at least that many.
All_Rise_369 on
Why lump justified shootings in with the unjustified?
ceccyred on
This. The greatest country in the world supposedly and this is the shit we do? How many less deaths, riots, protests etc would there be if we just weeded out the unqualified.
BrunoDeeSeL on
Why do people always love to compare countries which are the size and density of a US State with the entire country?
BenefitOfTheDoubt_01 on
I think looking at education from the standpoint of desired length will undoubtedly produce poor results, similar to public universities. Instead, it should be approached with specific educational goals and if those goals should happen to take 3 or 4 years, then so be it. Otherwise, you just end up getting a bunch of bullshit filler courses that end up encroaching on quality education for “check the box/make everyone happy” classes.
Having said that, this post doesn’t mention how culturally homogenous all of the other nations are or the populations of those nations. Anytime you have large populations of people that don’t share cultural identities, there’s going to be some friction.
Also, the US places a higher value on individuality whereas the other nations are more community/societally based. This means the US population not only has differing cultures but that it is viewed as a net positive to be different. This also can cause friction due to conflicting viewpoints and life styles. This also means programs that are more geared towards socialized cost sharing are not viewed as favorably in the US.
I’m not saying either system “right or wrong”, there’s just differences and where those differences occur, so to does friction. Police officers are the ones dealing with that friction. I would rather a police officer go through more training on how to effectively and appropriately deal with that friction.
UghAgain__9 on
Let’s do these numbers on a per capita basis? Norway and Finland are small countries. Random people don’t have guns so so one is shooting at the popo necessitating shooting back …
GomeyBlueRock on
I agree police need more training, but there is also severe cultural differences, support systems, and the us has like 3x the population than all those countries COMBINED
Glittering_Doctor694 on
honestly this is one of the rare cases where the argument if “the US is a lot bigger with more people” propably applies
YAVOMAG on
They probably dont even go through jurisdictions and rights
ChalupaPickle on
Wow maybe the reason the US has more police killings is because the US has far more population. Mind blowing I know.
hk-ronin on
In 2022, at least 1,176 people were killed by police. 3.2 people per day.
MakarovJAC on
Where I live, we train police as soldiers. They can’t just pull a gun and shoot. They operate like a platoon. A couple guys keep a watch. The other do the police work.
The ones keeping an eye out for trouble usually tackle or grapple any would troublemakers the moment they try something funny. Like grabbing the gun from the inspecting cop. After neutralizing the threat, the ones inspecting usually draw weapons as per necessity. So it’s close range, and either they draw a batton, taser, pepper spray, o fists. Whichever their station can afford.
That’s usually the procedure. Also, get used to have them invade personal spaces. That’s how they force you into not moving to much.
On average, police kills usually happens against actual violent criminals. Like cartels, or gangs.
Ok-Communication1149 on
I wonder if population and cultural diversity are factors……
Awoken_Queen_ on
Love how the hats slowly evolve
JensImGlueck on
This is why they call us Europoors.
imdstuf on
People want better trained police, but probably don’t want higher taxes to pay for it, or funding cut to other areas that interest them.
arvyarc on
Philippines – 4 Years College Degree
2016-2022 – 6,235 Killed (Drug related only)
mmarollo on
You left out Sweden, which has the second highest rate of rape in the world, escalating ultra-violence (including numerous hand grenade attacks) and murders galore. The cops there can’t even gain entry the places where the worst violence occurs, nor are ambulances able to get in.
Sweden could use a bit more metal policing.
MikulaJovic on
Imorrssive. Very nice. Now compare how many times someone was shooting at the police in these European countries vs in the US.
JoskoBernardi on
Lmao wait till you see the requirements in south america
Classic_Push9293 on
French guy here. I’m sooo glad my country is not in here… because we’re also very very very shit 😭
omniman267 on
You realize America is three times the size of the country’s and criminals are often armed with dangerous weapons. But nice try,
bighadjoe on
in Germany you need, depending on state, 2.5 years of training or a finished 3 years bachelors degree, not 2 years (source: am a german cop)
seven_seven on
The USA doesn’t have a police force.
zeh_shah on
Issue in America is everything is ran very capitalistic in nature. The last thing they will address is increasing pay or training times to combat open vacancies.
They’ll gut the training , reduce the requirements, even outsource to other countries or default to AI before actually tackling the issue as to why they can’t get enough people to join this position. (This is more so to a broad sense of employment in the US.)
Not enough truck drivers ? Reduce the requirements and let freight carriers start their own schools to turn around workers quicker.
Not enough police? Reduce the requirements to join and time training, while also reducing oversight
Not enough accountants/CPAs? Let’s cut the 150 credit requirement to sit for the tests. While we are at it let’s work on automation , AI, and outsourcing to India, Phillipines, and Vietnam but God forbid we address the lack of pay or crazy hours.
Not enough entry level workers (after you crippled the undocumented labor market) ? Well let’s cut the employment age by a few years , extend how long high-school students can work on school nights, and avoid oversight to employment, OSHA, safety issues. On top of that let’s also make it so people under 18 aren’t entitled to the same level of pay as someone over 18 since they’re students to maximize profit even more.
Evionic on
Seems like skewed data. Show % by population over the years.
MassiveHippo9472 on
Without population for context this is a pointless comparison
“Western countries” implying that the US is civilised 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Several-Eagle4141 on
Look, more politics in facepalm
Brief_Coffee8266 on
Fun fact: american cops don’t actually have any requirement to understand the law, they just have to think that it’s illegal to arrest(and shoot) you! Which means, you’re legally finding a safe place ro pull over? Nope, the cop doesn’t know about that law, so he’s just gonna flip your car!
Mysterious-Worry5585 on
You also need to think that people in US are more dangerous for the cops since they carry guns and anyone is basically a threat to the police since they don’t know if a person has a gun. In Germany they don’t really have any and crime rates are way lower
ZchAttck96 on
Least amount of education and training. Most amount of power and weaponry. God bless ‘Merica 🫡
Cossacker1799 on
This is sorta misleading. I’m certainly not saying we don’t have an issue because we do but most places require either a criminal Justice degree or prior military service. This also doesn’t take into account the fact that we have considerably more violent offenders in the US. Trust me I think we need to overhaul how we police in the US but this graphic isn’t really an accurate comparison.
_DJ_Not_Nice_ on
Finland has what? 5 million people in it? The US has like 340 million.
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They don’t call it the wild west for nothin. Nothing says keeping the peace like ignorant aggressive overarmed cops.
Considering the population density the numbers look about even.
population Germany 2023 – 83,294,633
population Norway 2023 – 5,474,360
population Finland 2023 – 5,545,475
You can’t just blame the police. The overall attitude and behavior of the people in other countries is much better than the US.
What’s the difference between a police officer and a bullet? When a bullet kills someone else, you know it’s been fired
Misleading. This has more to do with how police are armed and how criminals are armed respectively than police training times. In USA police have to assume every criminal might be reaching for a gun at times.
3 years in Germany not 2.
Police in USA needs more training this is a fact. but these countries are also immensely different when it comes to overall crime and violence (not to mention population as well) . But definitely in the USA Police need more training they are too tricker happy.
The amount of training required is a legitimate criticism, but comparing the fatalities between the US and some countries with tiny populations is kinda stupid. For reference Norway and Finland each have about 5 mil population. Half the the states in the US have at least that many.
Why lump justified shootings in with the unjustified?
This. The greatest country in the world supposedly and this is the shit we do? How many less deaths, riots, protests etc would there be if we just weeded out the unqualified.
Why do people always love to compare countries which are the size and density of a US State with the entire country?
I think looking at education from the standpoint of desired length will undoubtedly produce poor results, similar to public universities. Instead, it should be approached with specific educational goals and if those goals should happen to take 3 or 4 years, then so be it. Otherwise, you just end up getting a bunch of bullshit filler courses that end up encroaching on quality education for “check the box/make everyone happy” classes.
Having said that, this post doesn’t mention how culturally homogenous all of the other nations are or the populations of those nations. Anytime you have large populations of people that don’t share cultural identities, there’s going to be some friction.
Also, the US places a higher value on individuality whereas the other nations are more community/societally based. This means the US population not only has differing cultures but that it is viewed as a net positive to be different. This also can cause friction due to conflicting viewpoints and life styles. This also means programs that are more geared towards socialized cost sharing are not viewed as favorably in the US.
I’m not saying either system “right or wrong”, there’s just differences and where those differences occur, so to does friction. Police officers are the ones dealing with that friction. I would rather a police officer go through more training on how to effectively and appropriately deal with that friction.
Let’s do these numbers on a per capita basis? Norway and Finland are small countries. Random people don’t have guns so so one is shooting at the popo necessitating shooting back …
I agree police need more training, but there is also severe cultural differences, support systems, and the us has like 3x the population than all those countries COMBINED
honestly this is one of the rare cases where the argument if “the US is a lot bigger with more people” propably applies
They probably dont even go through jurisdictions and rights
Wow maybe the reason the US has more police killings is because the US has far more population. Mind blowing I know.
In 2022, at least 1,176 people were killed by police. 3.2 people per day.
Where I live, we train police as soldiers. They can’t just pull a gun and shoot. They operate like a platoon. A couple guys keep a watch. The other do the police work.
The ones keeping an eye out for trouble usually tackle or grapple any would troublemakers the moment they try something funny. Like grabbing the gun from the inspecting cop. After neutralizing the threat, the ones inspecting usually draw weapons as per necessity. So it’s close range, and either they draw a batton, taser, pepper spray, o fists. Whichever their station can afford.
That’s usually the procedure. Also, get used to have them invade personal spaces. That’s how they force you into not moving to much.
On average, police kills usually happens against actual violent criminals. Like cartels, or gangs.
I wonder if population and cultural diversity are factors……
Love how the hats slowly evolve
This is why they call us Europoors.
People want better trained police, but probably don’t want higher taxes to pay for it, or funding cut to other areas that interest them.
Philippines – 4 Years College Degree
2016-2022 – 6,235 Killed (Drug related only)
You left out Sweden, which has the second highest rate of rape in the world, escalating ultra-violence (including numerous hand grenade attacks) and murders galore. The cops there can’t even gain entry the places where the worst violence occurs, nor are ambulances able to get in.
Sweden could use a bit more metal policing.
Imorrssive. Very nice. Now compare how many times someone was shooting at the police in these European countries vs in the US.
Lmao wait till you see the requirements in south america
French guy here. I’m sooo glad my country is not in here… because we’re also very very very shit 😭
You realize America is three times the size of the country’s and criminals are often armed with dangerous weapons. But nice try,
in Germany you need, depending on state, 2.5 years of training or a finished 3 years bachelors degree, not 2 years (source: am a german cop)
The USA doesn’t have a police force.
Issue in America is everything is ran very capitalistic in nature. The last thing they will address is increasing pay or training times to combat open vacancies.
They’ll gut the training , reduce the requirements, even outsource to other countries or default to AI before actually tackling the issue as to why they can’t get enough people to join this position. (This is more so to a broad sense of employment in the US.)
Not enough truck drivers ? Reduce the requirements and let freight carriers start their own schools to turn around workers quicker.
Not enough police? Reduce the requirements to join and time training, while also reducing oversight
Not enough accountants/CPAs? Let’s cut the 150 credit requirement to sit for the tests. While we are at it let’s work on automation , AI, and outsourcing to India, Phillipines, and Vietnam but God forbid we address the lack of pay or crazy hours.
Not enough entry level workers (after you crippled the undocumented labor market) ? Well let’s cut the employment age by a few years , extend how long high-school students can work on school nights, and avoid oversight to employment, OSHA, safety issues. On top of that let’s also make it so people under 18 aren’t entitled to the same level of pay as someone over 18 since they’re students to maximize profit even more.
Seems like skewed data. Show % by population over the years.
Without population for context this is a pointless comparison
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“Western countries” implying that the US is civilised 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Look, more politics in facepalm
Fun fact: american cops don’t actually have any requirement to understand the law, they just have to think that it’s illegal to arrest(and shoot) you! Which means, you’re legally finding a safe place ro pull over? Nope, the cop doesn’t know about that law, so he’s just gonna flip your car!
You also need to think that people in US are more dangerous for the cops since they carry guns and anyone is basically a threat to the police since they don’t know if a person has a gun. In Germany they don’t really have any and crime rates are way lower
Least amount of education and training. Most amount of power and weaponry. God bless ‘Merica 🫡
This is sorta misleading. I’m certainly not saying we don’t have an issue because we do but most places require either a criminal Justice degree or prior military service. This also doesn’t take into account the fact that we have considerably more violent offenders in the US. Trust me I think we need to overhaul how we police in the US but this graphic isn’t really an accurate comparison.
Finland has what? 5 million people in it? The US has like 340 million.